A few people have inquired about my current seborrheic dermatitis skin regimen. If you look at my site I have not updated in a while. This is due to a busy time in life and the fact that I have finally stopped actively seeking solutions for my seborrheic dermatitis.

The solution to seborrheic dermatitis below has been working for me, so I will leave it here for everyone.
Basically my current method of Seborrhoeic Dermatitis it is quite simple and straight forward.

My regimen has changed significantly, my new regimen can be found here: My Seborrheic Dermatitis Regimen 2.0

These are the main points of my regimen:

  • Stopped using all regular anti dandruff shampoos
    • currently wash my hair with some non foaming whole foods shampoo (took about a week to adjust).
  • Each morning, first thing in the morning a drink a bit of water followed by a cup of water with one teaspoon of pure L-Glutamine powder – see edit below.
    • after consuming the glutamine I typically wait at least 20-30 minutes before eating.
    • not sure, but I think this has been a big part of the solution
  • Every single night (unless I am really, really lazy) I cleanse with Cetaphil Restoraderm Cleanser, let skin somewhat dry and apply Cetaphil Resoraderm Lotion.
    • I got these two as samples from a random doctor visit, she said she has an issue with seb derm in the past and these helped
    • They work really well for me and the lotion especially knocks out all redness
    • Before I’ve tried many commercial and holistic products and for me nothing controlled the redness as good as this
    • Since my first sample I went to see the same lady and she gave me enough sample packs to last till next year 🙂 (my guess is you can get sample packs from many places around your location)
    • If i miss a day things are okay, I personally get scared just because things used to be so bad (this also goes for morning glutamine) and I’m afraid of my results reversing
  • Use 100% cotton cover for my pillow
  • Apply topical iodine to my wrists every couple days (someone explained to me that iodine is the reason ocean and sea water helps) – see edit below.
    • My theory is that applied topically it might soak into my skin and circulate through the body
    • It’s hard to say what exact effect it has had, but it helped me before I started using the glutamine and Cetaphil above.
  • Eat lots of protein mainly from Chicken and Fish

Maybe I don’t need to cleanse anymore. However, I am really scared to go back to having seborrheic dermatitis so I just stick with it.

So that’s about it. My skin has been behaving quite well. No crust, or redness. Sometimes the nasal folds get a little tingly and a tiny bit red, but it does not go further than that. A tiny flake might also come from the inside of nasal fold, but I’ve seen this on many normal people and it is never really noticeable, so it does not bother me.

If you end up trying my method please let me know how it works for you. Would be interesting to see if you get the same results.

EDIT 2014/09/22:

I’ve actually stopped applying the iodine as I eat lots of fish now. Don’t really think I need it anymore.

EDIT 2015/02/11:

I’ve actually stopped taking glutamine about a month or two ago. I’m not really a fan of supplements and I suspected I had taken it long enough. Overall I went through about 1000g of it (about 5-6 months of daily use), so maybe it patched things up well enough. Still have a second tub, so if anything changes I’ll leave another update.

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106 Responses to “My Seborrheic Dermatitis Skin Regimen”

  1. Tien Profile Photo
    Tien

    Thanks, very interesting updates from sebo cures,looks like all those natural helps like garlic, sea salt, coconut oil do not really help and sometimes make things worse. Besides, it seems to me that the actual cure is the cleanser ( Your doctor suggested it for reason, didn’t he ?) .

    Could you please take some pictures of the cleanser you’re using, it’d be very helpful.

    Best regards

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    Marija

    Hi,

    I have pretty much the same problems you had, and have yet to find a solution.

    In regards to the Cetaphil cleanser, is it specifically for the face, as I can only find it labelled ‘body’, especially available in the uk.

    Thanks for all the super useful info!

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  3. Jenn Profile Photo
    Jenn

    Hi Michael,

    Tried to use the skindrone $10 off coupon for biom8 and it’s not working. Is there another method?
    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Jenn,

      Sorry for the delay in response. Unfortunately the coupon code was only available for initial testing. Check your email for a holiday surprise :).

      Happy holidays and best of luck in the new year!

      Reply
  4. Antoine Profile Photo
    Antoine

    Hi Everyone,

    Sorry for the late reply. I think I will give a try to Biom8 Michael but I’m trying some treatment at the moment. Hope it will help. My dermatologist prescribed me Lithioderm 8%. I will try it if my current treatment does not work. I’m applying a cream “Kelual DS”, I try to watch carefully what I eat and I started a Quinton Isotonic treatment. I red some of Quinton’s work. And he cured people by using sea water. I know it can sounds crazy but I want to give it a try.

    Pedro for Sudan’s theory and articles I give you some links. I checked again what he said on french forums and apparently for him, Restoraderm, Vineagar and salt water are all electrolitic solution. It makes sense to me especially in line with Quiton’s theory.

    Website of Bernard Sudan: http://www.dermiteseborrheique.net/les-traitements-actuels/

    Article of Sudan with many links to publication related to SD: http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/bernard-sudan/260712/les-coups-tordus-de-la-recherche-en-medecine-1-la-dermite-seborrheiqu

    And finally two links towards the products that he recommends to treat SD (I have not tried them):

    http://www.amazon.fr/Massada-0018219-Pain-Dermatologique-100/dp/B003JG0GEC

    -http://www.amazon.fr/gp/aw/d/B004GUP1CW/ref=pd_aw_sim_121_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0AG49HTK4H02VQ6DCT03

    I emailed him. His protocol is: washing your face everyday with “Massada Pain Dermatologique”, let the soap for about two minutes on the skin. Then rince and apply the cream Massada. He also says that it can take from 2-3 days to two weeks to see an improvement.

    I hope it can help some of us. I have not tried this yet but I ordered the two products.

    Good luck to the community in our fight against this SD. And thank you Michael for this website. It really helps. However I would be happy not to come back one day ?

    Antoine

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Antoine,

      Thanks for all the details. I’m still struggling to find much work from Sudan. The only published stuff I could find was about seborrheic dermatitis and nicotine. However, this connection has been documented by several others as well. Let me know if you come across any specific articles.

      As for the protocol, I personally have a different approach. Currently I’ve stopped washing my face with anything except water. Then apply the a tiny bit of Biom8 and that’s it. So far my skin has been absolutely free from SD for about 3-4 weeks. Good skin color has also returned. However, I’m really interested in hearing back from community about this approach (feedback should start coming in the next few weeks).

      I strongly believe that part of the issue is the skin not being able to properly synthesis several key fatty acids it requires to maintain a healthy environment. Part of this problem comes from inside and part of it occurs at a genetic level right at the skin. So, even though washing the face may aid in the removal of the malassezia and it’s metabolites and result in relief, this approach must be consistently maintained similar to anti-fungal washes. I believe the key for long term remission is repairing the normal functioning of the skin and allowing it to basically catch up with what it needs to be doing. This is being covered in great detail in the book I’m working on.

      As for the soap, I’ve used several similar soaps (dead sea and clay), but all soap I’ve tested has always stripped my skin and I never managed to sustain any of the results.

      The seborrheic dermatitis chapter is almost ready. Will update with a draft copy of it soon.

      All the best.

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      • minlo Profile Photo
        minlo

        Hi Micheal,

        If u think about it, the key component in this stupid process of SD is Sebum of course.
        I agree with many here that state we need an approach that goes with the bodies normal functioning .
        Now since Sebum seems to be the gasoline to the fire ! why do our faces produces such quantities ? what makes it that our facial glandes are pumping so much of it for it to feed the fungus and bacteria . I think its the bodies way of trying to repair damage done to those regions in which plays the skin barrier and most importantly moisture.
        For some reason i believe is the skin can’t retain moisture like it should and the result is overcompensation of sebum and skin problems acne , SD.
        The approach should go the same way as our bodies are intending to go, But better said then done .

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  5. Sherry Profile Photo
    Sherry

    Hi Michael

    It’s been my understanding that anyone with seb derm should only be using OIL FREE products. I was wondering about that in your product. Could you please list all the ingredients used in it? How does it effect people with acne prone skin?

    Thanks so much for all your information.

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Sherry,

      From everything I’ve been learning so far this way of thinking appears to be flawed. The skin itself relies on specific oils and peptides to naturally defend itself against foreign pathogens. When skin is lacking in either of these, issues can occur. The malassezia has specifically been shown to feed off of oleic acid and several others. However, caprylic acid and decanoic acid have actually have been shown to exhibit good anti-fungal activity against malassezia. Here, is a patent that describes the whole oil thing in a little more detail.

      The full ingredients list can be found on the product page. For reference it contains caprylic acid, decanoic acid, and vegetable glycerin. I’m also working on a second formulation with two other ingredients targeted at repairing damaged skin, but haven’t been happy with it yet.

      Additionally the skin chapter of the book I’m working on goes into a little more detail on how the skin is supposed to protect itself. You can find the current version of that chapter on Google Drive (https://goo.gl/I3Orti).

      In terms of acne, this is a whole different beast as the bacteria responsible for it are different. Will try to look into this in more detail to see how these fatty acids interact with them specifically. But, this formulation is meant to be as simple as possible, so that it can easily be integrated and/or added to peoples existing routines.

      Hope that helps. All the best.

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    • sherry Profile Photo
      sherry

      Hi Michaell

      I’ve been using Promiseb for years which has very simple ingredients in it and I believe that the Shea butter in it has very beneficial. Sure hope your new product works!!!! I look forward to hearing more of your experience with it as time goes by.

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      • Michael A. Profile Photo
        Michael A.

        Hi Sherry,

        Thanks for the update. Promiseb looks interesting and the studies behind it show good results. Personally, I don’t think it’s the shea butter that is doing the work. Have tested in a number of formulations when trying to create Biom8, but it didn’t seem to add much benefit. If I had to single any of the ingredients of Promiseb it would likely be the glycyrrhetinic acid for it’s antimicrobial activity. Strange that it requires a prescription though.

        The Biom8 is still working really well for me. Still need a bit more time to hear back from others.

        All the best.

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  6. Pedro Profile Photo
    Pedro

    Hi Michael,

    Here is Brazilian guy with a new nickname. I found some information about Lithium gluconate 8% as an effective treatment for seb derm. Have you heard of it?

    These are the articles i found:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17483754
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/723135_2

    If you are able to read in french you can find more info in french seb derm forums, it seems that many have benefit from lithium gluconate topical solution. In France they sell a product for seb derm called Lithioderm, a commercial name for Lithium gluconate 8%,, thats why it’s so popular over there.

    Have you heard about it Antoine?

    All the for all of you!

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Pedro,

      Yeah, I’ve read about it previously. However, I haven’t tried it.
      Here is a snippet that summarizes some of the main research behind it:

      Lithium Salts Both lithium succinate and lithium gluconate have demonstrated effectiveness in treating seborrheic dermatitis, probably due to their anti-inflammatory effects. Lithium succinate 8% ointment was investigated twice-daily (for a total of 8 weeks) and showed significantly greater efficacy than placebo (source). It has also been used successfully in HIV patients with facial seborrheic dermatitis (source). Lithium gluconate 8% ointment used twice-daily was tested in a multicenter, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial in 129 patients (source). After 8 weeks, 29.1% in the lithium group and 3.8% in the placebo group had experienced complete remission. Lithium gluconate 8% ointment used twice-daily was 22% more effective than ketoconazole 2% emulsion used twice-weekly in a randomized study of 288 patients (source).

      Right now I’ve strictly stopped using everything except water to wash my face. Additionally, I made my own ointment based on all the research I’ve been doing and have been using it daily for the last 2-2.5 weeks. So far the results have been fantastic and my skin got a lot of color back (compared to when I was using Restoraderm).

      Additionally, the ointment is even safe for consumption (100% edible and natural). And this was one of my biggest issues with many other products so far, as I’ve always been a little skeptical to what they might be doing long term.

      Would you be interested in giving it a try?
      Here is the label:
      Biom8 Ointment

      All the best.

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      • Pedro Profile Photo
        Pedro

        Congratulations man, it looks awesome and i’m definitely interested in giving a try. Just tell me how.

        Restoraderm has helped, but i still have a sort of pinkness around my nose and occasional red pimples. Now i’m noticing that sun may get things worse, pinkness turns to redness and pimples get pretty visible, nevertheless, when i go to the beach it gets so much better that i even forget about seb derm, maybe because of the sea water? I don’t know.

        What i surely know is that seb derm is a very frustrating condition, one day everything is fine and it seems to be gone and shortly after that you face the redness again. But i have hope that we gonna find answers in this community. I’m currently interested in the relation between skin issues and metabolic disorders, hope to find something helpful.

        You are doing an amazing job Michael, i have learned a lot with SkinDrone and don’t waste anymore time reading inconsistent forums.

        All the best!

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        • Pedro Profile Photo
          Pedro

          By the way, the fact that the ointment is even safe for consumption is all we need. I mean, this is the logic that keeps us healthy, we probably wouldn’t be here if we had follow that road long ago. We can no longer rely on industrialized products, most of them are poison.

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        • Michael A. Profile Photo
          Michael A.

          Hi Pedro,

          Thanks for the positive feedback. 🙂
          Hopefully it’s effective for others apart from just me. Basically, I analyzed and tried different combinations of the Restoraderm ingredients trying to understand how it was helping. Also studied their pattern and basically what I ended up with, is this ointment.

          Regarding the sun. Not sure what it was, but it seems like something in the Restoraderm may be adding to the uv sensitivity, as I found this as well. Basically, I had to stay try and stay out of the sun for my skin to remain even toned. However, this ointment I actually use as sun tunning oil and it works great. Skin tone got much darker in the past 2.5-3 weeks.

          Yeah, I really think there may be a link to the immune system. But, there are so many factors that come in to play and I believe this is what makes it hard for medical professionals to determine the true cause, as it varies from person to person. In essence, thought it appears that simply something is prevent normal functioning of the immune system, specifically on the oily parts of the skin, and it is not producing everything it needs to protect itself from invaders form colonizing and causing issues.

          Thanks again for the kind words.

          I’m trying to put all my research into a book. Here are 3 chapters that are ready, but still need lots of proof reading and editing:

          Digestion Chapter
          Omega Chapter
          Skin Chapter

          Let me know what you think. All the best mate.
          PS. We had a windstorm here so the packaging of the ointment got delayed. Should have some ready to ship early next week.

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          • Pedro Profile Photo
            Pedro

            Hey Michael,

            I Just read the Omega and the Skin Chapter, i will read the digestive chapter tomorrow, just before my appointment with the gastroenterologist. After the first reading i can tell that you successfully covered a wide range of aspects that are related to seb derm. The Omega chapter raised my awareness of something that i recently read, an article about the omega 6 omega 3 ratio affirming that for those with “junk” eating habits this ratio is around 50:1. The skin chapter raised many doubts and questions, i would like to have more information, to go further, but i don’t know if going further in your chapter is the case, since when you finished the book the references of the studies are going to be there and i believe that your primary goal is to wright something accessible.

            According to what you have written it seems that our sebum is lacking in something that protects it from consumption by foreign bacteria/fungi. That’s why one of the approaches consists in stopping sebum production, that’s why when i apply zinc oxide in the affected areas i wake up with a clear skin, but after some hours some of the redness is back. Zinc oxide is not only anti-fungal, but also dries out skin.

            I want to purchase the ointment, but i need to ask a favor, Could you send me as an individual? Not as a company. Brazilian government taxes everything and if you send me as a company a 60% tax over the product may apply. You could send me as a gift with a small letter, saying something like “Hey my friend, this is the new ointment i just made, give it a try.” But of course i’m going to pay for it.

            Again, congratulations for all the work, i’m looking forward to test BIOM8. By the way, how did you create this name? What does it mean? Although BIO is quite clear i can’t figure out the whole idea behind BIOM8.

            All the best

          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Hi Pedro,
            Thanks for the positive feedback, glad you found it informative. 🙂
            Yeah, the skin chapter didn’t go too deep. However, as you pointed out I was a little afraid to go over board. There will be a seborrheic dermatitis dedicated chapter, which goes a bit further though.

            Yeah, from everything I’ve read so far, that is the impression I’m currently under. Most likely it appears to be the fatty acid composition, however it may partially be lack of peptides. Yet again, this 2 may vary from person to person.

            No problem regarding the shipping will send it as a gift.

            The name was basically a mix up between several words. Bio for the natural aspect, microbiome added the m for the skin health aspect, and the 8 is there because the main component is the caprylic acid which as an 8 carbon fatty acid.

            Hopefully it works as well for you as it has for me.

          • Pedro Profile Photo
            Pedro

            One thought i forget to mention, would the tingling/itching sensation be a result of the fungi feeding from our sebum? Because normally these sensations are followed by a redness increase .

          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Still don’t have enough information to really explain that tingling/itching sensation. However, it seems to correlate with activity of the sebaceous glands. Not sure if it’s the bacteria activity, or simple the feeling of messed up sebum being secreted. My skin still sometimes get that feeling, but the SD luckily never breaks out and only a bit of redness occurs. However, if you observe healthy people you can typically see the same redness/blushing occur after heavy meals.

          • Pedro Profile Photo
            Pedro

            One Last thing, Caprylic acid is a well known natural antifungal, theres a lady in youtube that claims that to keep her SD under control she must take a Caprylic acid before a meal on a daily basis. But what about Decanoic Oil? Why did you ended up with this formula?

          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Deconoic also goes by the name of capric acid. Capric acid has show posses good anti-fungal potential as well. And specifically it’s very good at fighting candida cultures:

            After testing each individually, I found that a combination worked the best for me.
            Yeah, I actually consume the stuff too. Not before each meal, but a teaspoon here and there. Perhaps this may be part of why it has been so effective as well. And this is why I’m making the larger quantities available.

          • Pedro Profile Photo
            Pedro

            I tried to use the coupon to purchase the BIOM8 and it said that “Coupon usage limit has been reached.” It’s my first purchase, how can that be?

          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Thanks for letting me know.
            A setting was improperly configured. Fix it up now. Let me know if you’r still having issues.

      • Jamie Profile Photo
        Jamie

        Hi Michael, congrats to your new ointment. Hope to try it out. Can I purchase it? I’m back to using Elomet this week after my SD and atopic ezcema flare up.

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          • Jamie Profile Photo
            Jamie

            Hi Michael,

            Thanks for sharing your biom8 invention with the community.

            Can I mix the biom8 oil with oregano oil or tea tree oil?

          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Hi Jamie,

            Don’t see any issue with this. However, you shouldn’t need any essential oils.
            Would suggest you initially give it a try without these.

            All the best.

          • Jamie Profile Photo
            Jamie

            Thanks for your kind reply. I was checking out the ingredients in biom8. Seabuckthorn seed oil is an interesting oil. However I read the oleic acid may worsen SD and Seabuckthorn seed/berry oil contains 10-13% oleic acid. Please pardon me if I have provided any inaccurate info as this was taken from the Internet.

          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Hi Jamie,

            The seabuckthorn oil only makes up a portion of the overall formula and in the end the oleic acid is likely closer to 1-2% of the total oil content. Additionally, oleic acid appears to only cause issues after it has been broken down my the malassezia to various fatty acids which create the issues (source). However, the other oils demonstrate anti malassezia action and thus prevent it’s activity.

            Hope that helps.

    • Antoine Profile Photo
      Antoine

      Hi Pedro,

      Yes I heard about it mainly on french forums. However I have not tried it yet. I think Michael has given you precise information about it. It seems to be used here when antifongic are not really effective. However like for other treatments you find people saying it is not working very well for them. So it is not the miracle solution expected by all of us. I’m going to see two doctors this week. I hope it will help. Michael, is BIOM 8 the name of your lotion ? I would be interested to try it and to read your book. Another question which is important to me: after all the readings you went through do you think that one day scientists will find a cure for good for this shitty SD ?

      Thank you one more time Michael for all your work !

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      • Antoine Profile Photo
        Antoine

        Update to my last comment: I just checked again “lithioderm” on french forums and people seem to be mainly happy with the result. Maybe I should give it a try. However it is not very new I found people talking about it in 2007

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      • Michael A. Profile Photo
        Michael A.

        Hi Antoine,

        Yeah, the BIOM8 is something I’ve been working on. No else, but me has tested it yet though. So not sure how effective it will be for everyone. My results have been great though. For about 2.5-3 weeks I’ve only been using it and nothing else. Should have some ready for shipment sometime next week. Will drop you can email once it’s ready.

        In terms of a cure, it really depends on how you look at it. SD appears to be more of a symptom than a disease. At it’s most basic level the body is just having issues properly utilizing ingested fatty acids and this results in a faulty skin barrier (skin immunity). As a result of this, the microbiome (bacterial/fungal community) of the skin becomes unbalanced and skin issues appear. The reason it occurs on the face and scalp is that these are the main sebum producing areas, and have distinct bacteria which inhabit them. Hope that makes sense.

        The skin chapter of the book I’m currently working on goes into detail on this. (sorry for the formatting, it’s markdown)
        Let me know what you think. All the best.

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        • Antoine Profile Photo
          Antoine

          Hi Michael,

          I just red the skin chapter of your book. It is really interesting and well explained although sometimes difficult as english is not my mother tongue. I found your theory particulary interesting, you suggest that Malassezia Globosa is more present in skin touched by Seborreic Dermatitis ? And that some microbes in the skin also have a role ? It triggers so many questions, I wish scientists could search harder on this disease.

          I searched hard for the last two weeks and I found interesting thing. I also contacted a french scientist who has dermatitis seborreic and used to work for a pharmaceutical lab in Switzerland. He published some study on the seborreic dermatitis and found a way to control it with two products: “massada pain dermatologique” and “massada crème”. I precise that I’m not a scientist nor a doctor and I have not tried these products. The name of this guy is Bernard Sudan. If you read french you can find what he published on seborreic dermatitis and what he thinks of it. Basically he thinks that it is related to some sort of allergy as histamine has been found on seborreic dermatitis skin. He also argues that Lithioderm or sea water is effective to help because salty water restore the conduction between some skin cells (I’m not capable to translate their names nor to explain more into details the mechanism of Sudan’s theory as it is technical and once again I’m not a doctor). But I found his theory interesting because he also mentionned Cetaphil, vineagae or Pytrithione de Zinc saying that these products help to restore conductivty between skin cells.

          I am sorry I think it is a bit confused but I want to share this information with you. What he explained makes sense to me and I just hope that we will finally find a cure for this shitty disease.

          All the best,

          Antoine

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          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Hi Antoine,

            From what I’ve seen so far, they have been researching it quite in-depth. It’s appears that the bacterial/fungal communities can be quite hard to comprehend as a whole system. The interrelation between all of it appears to be the reason. Plus only ~10% of the community appears to be in active at a give time (the rest either dead or dormant), making it hard to really understand the full picture; and this just multiplies the difficulty. This is an interesting video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb98ZLluAGw).

            Sounds interesting, but I wasn’t able to find too much of his work. Also the skin conductivity concept is new too me. From the majority of my reading, I’m currently at the conclusion that it is directly linked to the sebum composition. And basically the oil rich areas of are skin are unable to properly defend themselves. While, the histamine present appears to simply be a result of the skins reaction to any aggravating microbial/fungal activity in the area.

            PS. The ointment is finally ready to go. Just writing more details on how I use it and how it works. So far, I’m the only one that has really used it, so even though it’s been effective for me, its hard to predict how it will work for the majority. If your interested in giving it a try, you can find it at http://www.biom8.com and use the coupon “skindrone”. It should take $10 off of the order, but shipping from Vancouver, Canada can be expensive.

            All the best.

          • Pedro Profile Photo
            Pedro

            Hi Antoine,

            I would like to know a bit more about the theory of Sudam and also abou “massada pain dermatologique” and “massada crème”, what are these products? What’s the formula? It’s very interesting that he has a reasonable explanation for the fact that some products like Cetaphil and apple cide vinegar work for many SD sufferers.

            Could you provide me the link of these studies? I can read a bit of french, studying psychoanalysis made me read many french articles.

            All the best

      • Mark Lynch Profile Photo
        Mark Lynch

        Hi,does anybody know if Lithioderm is available in Australia or can it be imported??
        Mark

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    Antoine

    Hi Michael,

    I wanted to tell you that I found something called “eau de Quinton” or Quinton Water in english I guess. Basically it is sea water. It is named after a french biologist who cured many diseases by giving people sea water for some days. The results are impressive according to what I found on the internet. It seems very basic said like that but I’m thinking of trying this method. I would have liked to know if you already tried this or if you have ever red something on this cure ? It is not made especially for SD but I think it could help. You will find the Quinton’s theory and researches on internet.

    Hope it can help

    Antoine

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      HI Antoine,

      Just checked it out. Honestly, I think it’s more of a scam than anything. What’s the difference between this and drinking spring water? Spring water has trace minerals as well.. Also, in their product description they say the stuff is obtained from a plankton vortex? 🙂

      The theory and marketing strategy for these types of products has been around for quite a while. For example here are colloidal minerals which employee a similar tactic.

      However, I have researched mineral deficiency in the past. One item you might want to check out is Shilajit. This stuff actually has a substantial amount of medical research behind it (most, if not all, appear to be animal based though). At-least this stuff has been around for quite some time and used by a ton of people.. When I tried it, I didn’t see too much benefit for my skin, but maybe a slight improvement in overall energy (may simply have been placebo effect).

      In the end though, I think that people with SD are extremely prone to making these types of mistakes (buying anything that promises to be a complete cure). I believe the most rewarding approach is through knowledge and understanding of our own bodies and skin. Once you understand how everything is suppose to function it becomes easier to identify potential problem areas and evaluate potential treatment approaches. I’ll send you the book once it’s ready, it really dives deep into a variety of subjects.

      Hope that helps mate. All the best.

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    Mark lynch

    hi Michael,very interesting that you have stopped washing your face and just use lotion,please let us know what lotion you use,I’ve stopped washing my face in the morning and stopped using restoraderm as I found it non responsive,I’m just using selsun shampoo on my face that has cleared me up of redness,I have also booked into see a gastroenterologist next month,I will report back after I see him,think my alcohol consumption a week ago contributed to my recent outbreak,hard to know really. Great to read these posts.

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      Michael A.

      Hi Mark,

      The lotion I actually made myself. Found a local chemist and ordered all the ingredients that the Resotoraderm moisturizer has and started testing various combinations on my face. The formulation I have now is only 3 edible ingredients and it’s been working great. Hoping to get some packaged and send out samples to the community soon. Will let you know once I have an update.

      Look forward to hearing how the gastroenterologist goes. I’m actually planning to schedule an appointment myself.
      Even though my skin has been good it would be interesting to see how that goes.

      All the best mate. PS> I sent you an invite on Google Hangouts. If you want we can chat briefly.

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    Mark Lynch

    I honestly believe with all the improvements in medical treatments today that there must be a “cure” for SD but the big pharmaceutical companies around the world hide it so they can make money on “treatments”..it all makes sense. I also believe that diet and what you put into your body has no bearing on the malessia yeast production, i have been eating healthy for years with regular exercise and it still comes and goes, what works for one person doesnt always work for the next, dont be fooled by it all, when you have been dealing with it for nearly 30 years and have tried everything I know what Im talking about.
    Mark

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    Mark lynch

    Ive been reading all these stories on here and thought I’d share my story, I’m 46 and have been dealing with SD since my early 20’s…I had acne as a teenager so basically since I’ve been 13-14 I’ve had skin issues. I’ve spent 1000’s on dermatologists and lotions,potions the lot, I’ve been to acupuncturist,herbalists,naturopaths,dieticians,Chinese doctors,I’ve been to everybody who claim that they can help but it keeps coming and going,no patterns either,sun is good sun is bad,cold is good cold is bad..can’t put my finger on anything that triggers it,I’ve tried diets,cleanses,yoga,I exercise,I meditate,i can be stressed and nothing triggers it,I’ve given up alcohol and it’s come back,I’ve drank hard and been clear skinned…no triggers,it just comes and goes,some creams work sometimes,I’ve used every face wash and shampoo known to man,I only have it on my face,my scalp is good,i do think it’s gotta do with the production of the malessia that’s produced in the skin,I think if there is some kind of drug that stops the production or reduces the severity of it we would be onto something…thanks for reading and keep the ideas coming,I’m still open to finding a “cure”
    Mark

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      Michael A.

      Hi Mark,

      Was very surprised to see you back. I’ve been going hard lately on researching this thing. So, far I’ve read and analysed about 200 medical papers around SD. Overall, I feel fairly close to understanding how it works and the process involved in it’s progress.

      Regarding the dietary aspect, this will depend on the initial source of the problem. For some people a diet change may actually fully resolve the issue. However, for the most part I believe a multi-faceted approach is required and for this and I think it’s important for people to understand the pathogenesis of SD (and skin conditions in general).

      The book is about 70% ready and will update once it’s complete (hoping to finish in the next month or so).

      Additionally, I’ve been busy making a lotion based on everything I’ve learned so far. Have stopped washing my face for about a week now and have just used the lotion. So far happy with the results, but more time is required to see how it turns out. Will hopefully have some samples soon for the community to test out as well.

      Hope something may help mate.

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    Connor

    Hey Michael,
    Is this still your current routine and also are you still SD free? (Hopefully)?

    Today I’ve brought some products to hopefully clear up my SD,

    A bit of background on it is that I’ve had it for around 8 long months and being a 17 year old in year 12 it can take its toll but my SD is weird because I’ve never actually had any of the redness symptons all I get is the yellow greasy skin look.

    I’m going to start using L glutamine in the morning 1 teaspoon
    Range of tablets, eg vitamin C, K2
    Have been gluten free since 7 months ago but going to try dairy free as well now
    Trying to reduce the amount of sugar intake
    Drink 1 tea spoon of ACV
    And hopefully not applying anything to the skin and see if I see any reactions in the next 2 weeks,
    Have you got any tips or suggestions?

    Thanks Connor

    BTW it’s amazing that people witu the condition are able to find out research and information from websites like this. So thank you for creating this website it has benefited me a lot.

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    • Connor Profile Photo
      Connor

      Also does gluten free bread contain any yeast? And what foods contain yeast? Thanks

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      • Antoine Profile Photo
        Antoine

        Hi Michael

        Thank you very much for having created this website. I have a SD since last May and I’m really stressed and depressed about it. I’m french so sorry for my english. Could you give me more information about Restoraderm ? It is a moisturer or a cream that washes the face ? Is it this one http://www.beaute-test.com/nettoyant_hydratant_-_restoraderm_cetaphil.php ?

        One more thing: have you heard anything on thermal waters and if it can help us ?

        Once again thank you for what you are doing !

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        • Michael A. Profile Photo
          Michael A.

          Hi Antoine,

          Thanks for the feedback. Sorry to hear that. It can be quite an annoying condition.
          Yeah, that is the face wash I’ve been using. Additionally, I would follow up with the moisturiser (http://www.beaute-test.com/emulsion_hydratante_-_restoraderm_cetaphil.php). Ultimately I believe the moisturiser played a bigger role than the wash, however it is really hard to say as I used both.

          As for thermal waters, I’m guessing this is the same as hot springs. Overall they might have some sort of benefit, however I personally doubt that hot springs alone can present a complete cure. I’ve been currently writing a book trying to really understand the skin and SD. Based on some of this research I believe that people with SD simply have issues producing certain antimicrobial compounds required for the control of the fungi which causes the SD. Additionally, certain factors such as overall immunity and the bacterial make-up of ones individual skin both play significant roles in this.

          Lately, I’ve completely stopped washing my face and have started using a product I have created for myself based on some of my research (and testing of different combination of the ingredients found in the Restoraderm products). Overall happy with the results so far, but need a few more weeks to see how things turn out.

          Hopefully that helps and I’ll update once the book is ready. Take care.

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            Antoine

            Thank you for your quick reply. Have you ever heard of people that cured this disease for good ? Is it possible that someday it will be gone ? Another thing is don’t you think that we could contact scientists or finance some study via crowdfunding or anything else ? I mean we are in 2015 and doctors are not yet sure about what causes the SD

            I am also very interested by your book. I think I will try the cetaphil moisturer.

            Once again thank you for your help and for what you are doing !

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            Michael A.

            Hi Antoine,

            Yeah, I’ve seen online reports and there are cases where it goes away completely in some of the medical literature I’ve been going over.
            Sometimes something small can really set of the immune system and causes either messed up sebum composition (which causes topical infection and irritation) or simply a shift in the complex eco-system of the skin.

            Will update once the book is ready.

            And it seems that medical literature does have an understanding of what SD is. It’s just that that interrelation between us and the bacteria world is so complex that it becomes difficult to create a one fits all solution.

            Also, I’ve made my own lotion. It’s been working really well for me. Would be interesting to see if it would as well for others.

            All the best and thanks for the positive feedback :).

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            Antoine

            Thank you one more time Michael. What you are doing is fantastic. Your answer made my day especially when you say that the medical literature contains cases of complete healing. I hope it will be the case for all of us.

            I am looking forward to read your book and to have more information of your mixture.

            Once again thank you very much Michael.

    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hey Connor,

      The routine was working great for about a year. About a month ago it started being not as effective, but this was mainly due to my lack of consistency. Additionally, I’ve been doing lots of research again to really delve deep into the issue. Particularly, I was after why the routine was working and what other factors played a role. Currently, I’ve actually stopped washing my face and use the Restoraderm. Instead I have been testing my own concoction and only washing my face with water.

      Also, I’ve slowly started bringing a bit of dairy back. In terms of gluten, I personally still think that it is not really an issue for SD. However, everyone is different.

      Stopped supplementing with l-glutamine, but still have some left. Instead, I’ve replaced it with fresh cabbage juice (intermittently) which is an excellent whole food source of l-glutamine and other healing agents. Some more of the stuff I have been testing can be found here. Overall this strategy is focused on jump starting the body. Unfortunately I haven’t covered everything in full detail there, but I’ve been working on a book with all the details.

      Thanks for the positive comment. Yeah, the internet can be both great and punishing at the same time. There’s so much information out there that it can be overwhelming. This website was a means of trying to organize and make sense of it all. 🙂

      Will update you once the book is ready. Here is a preview of the chapters:

      • Introduction
      • What is Seborrheic Dermatitis
      • Current Medical Understanding
      • Holistic Explanations for Seborrheic Dermatitis
      • Your Immune System
      • Your Digestion
      • The Omegas and Your Health
      • Supplements to Know
      • Reducing Topical Yeast and Bacteria
      • Dysbiosis or Synbiosis
      • Yeast and Fungus
      • Exercise, Sleep and Your Health
      • Understanding Stress
      • Immunotherapy and Vaccination
      • Understanding the Skin
      • Finding the Right Products
      • Long Term Management

      Some gluten free bread does contain yeast, however you can always check the ingredients list. However, I don’t think that total avoidance is the path to success. Especially long term, instead I think focus must be shifted on the enhancement.

      Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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      • Connor Profile Photo
        Connor

        The book looks like a good read, would buy it for sure!
        Is Lactose cheese, lactose milk, lactose yoghurt is all okay to have?

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        • Michael A. Profile Photo
          Michael A.

          Hi Connor,

          It’s hard to generalize for everyone. For some it may be okay, while for others it may cause issues.

          In my opinion, the best approach is to keep start a diary and record any corresponding changes. However, this was actually quite hard for me to do.

          Hope that helps.

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    Brazilian Guy

    Hi Michael,

    Thank you for your clear science based explanation

    I guess i wrongly addressed my critic to the scientific method. I agree with you, scientific method holds a huge amount of value for us as well. When i wrote my post i was thinking about all the crap i have heard from doctors i recently went. When i asked about alternative methods that i found on the web (honey, apple side vinegar, changing diet, etc…) they were likely to discredit it based on its lack of scientific results. Thinking about theirs answers i realized that they were likely to take in account only what works for everyone, or most people, i mean, treatments that work only for some aren’t worth for further studies, they are then forgotten and, therefore, most doctors don’t even read it. For instance, there is a study about honey masks as a treatment for SD with good results, we can easily find it online (i guess you even mentioned somewhere), nevertheless, no doctor said anything about that when i mentioned honey.

    Actually the problem is not with the scientific method, but the commercial logic that guides researches. In this perspective a treatment that works for some is probably not commercially viable and, therefore, not taking into account as “good enough science”. It seems that the scientific value subordinates to commercial value, in other words, “good enough science” is “good enough product”

    I’m not saying that commercial value is worthless, it’s not, simply because is the reason why so many treatments are available for so many people. But it’s not absolute and it shouldn’t misguide doctors approach on alternative treatments.

    More over, it’s also the easiest way, i mean, if you are a doctor you would rather give a prescription that works for everyone than one that works for some and if you don’t have this prescription for everyone the best is to assume that there is no cure for the case. Treatments that work only for some raise questions, it means more work, more research to find answers that would only help some, a minority. It’s just easier to ignore that minority when you are profiting well enough with the majority. Sadly for us that’s the big picture.

    Happily not every doctor is like that and there are some thinking out of the box. But i guess that for sufferers of diseases that are not that commom the best is to follow the “do it yourself” motto. We must read every study about SD to figure out what are the causes, because i’m convinced that it’s not a simple cause and probably individual differences raise different causes for different groups of people. It’s is a tough work, i saved some studies and information from forums that i judge relevant, we could create a “SEB DERM LIBRARY”. In fact, you are already doing it and i highly encourage you to keep up the good work.

    By the way, i’m using the Restoraderm for a week now, good results, i woke up today with my face almost 100% cleared, but now, 20:00, it’s a bit red.

    Longing to read the near future post about the studies that you have mentioned.

    All the best!

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      Michael A.

      Hi Brazilian Guy,

      Definitely agree with you, as there does appear to be lot’s of doctors who don’t really have a deep understanding of SD. For general doctors this makes sense as they need to deal with such a wide variety of conditions and topics. However, I have been a little shocked with the lack of detailed understanding dermatologists have in this regard. I wish they provided more information as to what is really going on with the skin, then simply relying on medical textbooks which are lacking any concrete information regarding SD.

      It becomes somewhat hard for people to spend so much time and money on something so mysterious as SD without any social gain. Thus, commercially viable solutions to the issue will always make it to the top. For example, doctors typically prescribe ulcer treatment drugs for ulcers (examples). However, it has long been documented that fresh cabbage juice is powerful enough to heal practically all ulcers (source). And this is one of the most perfect examples for commercial interests taking precedence over effective non-commercial approaches.

      I’ve actually got quite a large library of SD related research papers and associated topics. Will try to find a way to share this. However, I’m not sure what the legal aspects of sharing scientific papers is (as they cost money). Hopefully there is a way around this.

      Will update you when I have more concrete information. However, if you like for now I would highly recommend trying fresh cabbage juice and drastically increasing consumption of cruciferous vegetables. As they have been documented to increase peptide production, improve cell health, contain potent anti-inflammatory ability, natural source of l-glutamine (cabbage juice specifically) and many other benefits.

      Also I’m thinking of buying a good variety of different products that have worked for others and putting together a sample pack. Perhaps this can help people find the right product for their skin. What do you think of this idea?

      All the best and hope things keep improving. Glad to hear the Restoraderm is helping.

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      • Brazilian Guy Profile Photo
        Brazilian Guy

        Hey Michael,

        Good to know about cruciferous vegetables, this a motivation to keep eating lots of broccoli as i already do. I read somewhere that some vegetables, such as spinach, were bad for SD, but due to poor information about it i found this really controversial and just ignored it. Do you know something about vegetables that are contraindicated for SD sufferers? About the cabbage juice, i didn’t know that, but makes a lot of sense, i was doing some research about sauerkraut and its benefits to gut issues, have you ever tried?

        I didn’t mention, but i’m facing some weird symptoms since last year and SD came along with them. I’m going to share a bit of my history, i spent last year taking accutane and eating lots of junk, this year was also very stressful – due to professional problems and a disease that is affecting my mother and has bad prognosis. I think the symptoms are related to either stress or accutane/bad food side effects, or (most likely) all of it.

        Since march i have developed joint pain (specially finger joints), an itchy throat, cold sores inside the mouth, genital candidiasis and – in the same weekend that candidiasis appeared – SD came along. I also noticed that my sinus area, specially nose, would get inflamed pretty easy, along with my throat that was constantly itching.

        After all that i got pretty worried, specially after reading about candidiasis, SD and it’s relation to AIDS. I haven’t engaged in risky sexual intercourse for a long time and the HIV test was negative. Solving that i went to many insurance covered doctors that prescribed usual blood tests – that came normal – and tests for many autoimmune diseases – that came negative. Then i decided that i wasn’t going to loose anymore time with these ordinary doctors.

        I remembered that a school friend, after many disappointments, went to a well respected General practitioner that successfully treated him after diagnosing a rare syndrome. I schedule an appointment with this doctor, insurances don’t him and It was expensive, but worth it. The appointment took about an hour, i showed all the recent tests and said everything i could remember. He was really interested in all health problems i ever had and based on my symptoms and my vitamin d low levels he guessed that i was maybe suffering from a magnesium deficiency. In the end he prescribed me a detailed immunological test and some magnesium chloride supplement.

        For some time now i have been eating really healthy and found partial relief in some symptoms, but after taking magnesium for 1 week the joint pain got almost nonexistent and i didn’t face inflammation issues easy as before. After this week My Cd4, Cd8, Cd 19 (and another bunch of cds that i can’t recall) test came back and i went to another appointment. The result was that my immune system is really out of balance, the GP said that based on its current configuration it seems that it’s really a magnesium deficiency which cause we are investigating.

        Well, my magnesium supplement is helping me with my joint pain and chronic inflamation, but, till now, does nothing for my SD (which is also a sort of chronic inflammation?) Anyway, since SD is a symptom of immune deficiency and many SD sufferers usually have other issues related to immune deficiencies i thing this test is worth it. I’m obsessed to balance my immune system, probably this will solve my SD. I just finished a liver flush and plan to start glutamine tomorrow. I also started taking pau d’arco tea, which is known as a great plant for gut issues and fungal infections. It seems to be a long battle, i see some improvements, but the goal is getting back on track,how it used to be.

        The sample pack idea is great, most SD products/approaches aren’t for everyone, but if one tries a bunch of them one is very likely to get good results from at least a few.

        About the library, you could share all the free stuff and point the papers that requires payment for whom might be interest. If one is interest one goes to the website and pays for it.

        Another maybe interesting thing would be to develop a questionnaire with SD related questions. Example: How was your diet before SD? Did you take many antibiotics? Stressful life when SD came? Everyone that visit this page could contribute and increase our knowledge. What you think about that?

        Al the best.

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          Michael A.

          Hey Brazilian Guy,

          Regarding the spinach it has a significant amount of oxalates and biologically active amines. These require a fairly stable a strong digestive system to process and neutralize. Thus, lots of the information on the internet recommends removing it from the diet.

          Have tried sauerkraut before. Didn’t seem to show any direct results. The cabbage juice can sometimes almost give me a head-rush (particularly if the cabbage is extra pungent). The only issue that I have seen regarding sauerkraut it contains a significant amount of histamine (especially well aged) and this may also put stress on the digestive process. But in the end, there is so much overlapping research that can become quite confusing. Best thing seems to be to test it out and see how it effects you.

          Yeah, all of these things can definitely have an impact as these things effect overall immunity. If your system is weak, the bacteria causing the SD basically get proliferate with less resistance.

          From what you indicated, it seems that you may simply have some type of systemic infection. In this case, the best course of action would be to see a gastroenterologist and have your insides inspected. This way you may pin-point the exact reason for your issues. Systemic infection -> weak immune system -> skin issues. Aids is just another thing that will cause intense immuno-suppression and thus SD results.

          In terms of the magnesium deficiency, this can either be the cause of the other issues or a result of them. Will all the test you have had done, I’m sure that you’ll definitely uncover your issue. Luckily you have found a good doctor. 🙂

          As for the pau d’arco tea, it didn’t seem to do anything for me. Let me know how it goes.

          In terms of the research stuff, I’ll upload it some time this week and send you a link. 🙂

          The questionnaire is also a really good idea and have actually thought of this before. However, I was initially unsure with how much people will participate. However, now that the site has been growing it is time to go back to this idea.

          Hope that helps and let me know if I missed anything. In summary, keep working with the doctor, if he can pinpoint the main issue I really think your SD will disappear.

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          • Brazilian Guy Profile Photo
            Brazilian Guy

            Thank you for being so supportive. In fact, having magnesium deficiency raise the question: “Why do i have magnesium deficiency?” Probably i’m not absorbing enough magnesium because something is wrong with my GI tract. I’m looking forward to solve all my health issues, specially SD. On Monday i went to a otolaryngologist (ear-nose-throat doctor) and after a throat videoscopy he diagnosed the probable cause of my itchy throat, acid reflux (GERD), he prescribed some more texts to be sure, but he also thinks that the best course of action would be to see a gastroenterologist. I already schedule an appointment.

            Meanwhile, i will keep trying things, i know that my SD is much better, but i can’t point why. Good diet? Natural Anti-fungals such as pau d’arco and coconut oil? Restoraderm? Problem they all contribute, the same goes for SD, probably the cause is complex, that is to say, multifactorial.

            Hopefully i’ll be abbe to solve all the issues and solve SD along. Hopefully all of us. We must keep record of what we are doing and share our histories, our success will help others.

            I’ll write again after my appointment with the gastroenterologist.

            All the best!

          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Yeah, sounds like all those things are acting sinergysticall. Currently, my research has been quite progressive and I’ve obtained a much more complete understanding of how SD works. However, the underlying issues can still vary from person to person. This makes it hard for medical professional to prescribe specific strategies for dealing with SD. The most approachable way for treatment is topical control, as it has fairly high success rates. The “find the route cause” approach requires quite thorough examinations and testing, thus it seems that it doesn’t really make sense for them to treat it in this way.

            However, it all has to do with malfunctioning sebum production (can be caused by a variety of factors) and/or dysbiosis of the bacterial population of the skin. These are both extremely hard and costly to test and treat on an individual basis.

            Look forward to hearing about your results from the gastroenterologist.

            Will also send you all the stuff I currently have written for the book in the next week or so.

            Best of luck!

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    margie

    Would you put the raw honey mix on your scalp,if so what do you wash out with as it is in your hair and how many parts honey to water do you use? Do you have an example of a whole food shampoo? Do you know where to buy the Cetaphil Res cleanser and lotion?
    I just used a dead sea salt water rinse after a mix of oil of oregano,tea tree,cocoanut,aloe mixture overnite and my scalp derm. seems to finally be a little better. I have been rinsing with a apple cider vinegar water mix as well as drinking apple cider vinegar,honey water mix and liquid aloe vera supplement. I added biotin to my vitamin intake. I just found a leave in conditioning spray that contains sea salt sea kelp and morrocan argon oil. I stopped coloring my hair except with an all natuaral henna . Do you think a henna color is still part of the problem? I had seb.dermititus onboth sides of my scalp .Only one side is back to normal. Do you think brewers yeast supplements would help? I tried mineral oil topically and scraped the crusting like i did with my baby’s cradle cap a long time ago but it did not seem to help. My only symptom is the crusty build up,no itching or flaking. Do you think scraping off the crust helps the condition? Tonite I an going to try a homeade garlic (7-8 cloves)juiced topically i read about. Ive also stared eating 1-2 cloves garlic a day.

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      Michael A.

      Hi Margie,

      For the hair it’s likely easier to use a more diluted concentration (8:2 or 7:3). However, I do not have much experience with this. Only made one attempt and it was too difficult to sustain.

      The Cetaphil Restoraderm is available on Amazon. Here in Canada it is widely available in stores as well (cheapest at Wal-Mart).

      Brewers yeast did not provide any benefit for me.

      Minimizing the number of products I was trying to use and removing all additional topicals helped the most. Do not have any experience with henna oil, but anything that has the ability to impact the lipid composition of the skin can potentially aggravate SD.

      The crusting is the result of lipid break down by bacteria on the skin. Removal of the crusting isn’t the most productive approach as it can sometimes speed up the cycle. It seems the best results are achieved by either removal of bacteria with a proven topical anti-fungal (nystatin, ketocanazole, pyrithione zinc) or through regulation of sebum production and composition (an extremely mild washing routine and proper nutrition).

      When removing the crust it is essential to do it as gently as possible. If you are forceful you may be forcing the bacteria and irritants further into the skin. This leads to more issues.

      Garlic was personally of no use to me. Let me know if it helps.

      All the best.

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    Brazilian Guy

    Hello Everyone,

    First i have to say how glad i am to have found this site. Michael, what you are doing here is awesome! I’m 29 and have been dealing with skin issues since my late teens. I had some face acne and persistent cystic acne on my back and when i was 27, after have tried a bunch of things, i went on accutane.

    I was somehow scared about the drug, but after so many dermatologists telling me that with regular blood tests it would be safe and the best alternative i said what the hell. It did clear my cystic acne and during treatment no seb derm on my scalp. Some months after the treatment not only the seb derm on my scalp came back, but i had it on my face as well. There are also other side effects that came after the treatment, but this is other history.

    I went to the dermatologist and the same bullshit, cortisone creams and palliative measures, symptoms management as always. Reading all of your testimonials and thinking about my history i’m convinced that we are somehow alike, but everyone is unique, therefore, the goal is to improve our “body awareness”. We must understand how our body words in order to heal ourselves. Some tips that i found here are helping me to control my seb derm, but i’m on my way to build my method, there is to say, the method that works for my and may work for others, but certainly not everyone. When i reach this goal i will share it here.

    We learned that the scientific method with its universal claim it’s the key for solving our problems, well, it works for exact sciencies, building machines and shit, but not for us, human beings.

    Thank you for your support and sorry for my English.

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Brazillian Guy,

      Thanks for the positive comment and glad to hear that the site is helping people. 🙂

      Yeah, it definitely seems that everyones issues are different, but there are some common items between us.

      In terms of the scientific method, I do thing it still hold a huge amount of value for us human beings as well. Even if science dones’t yet have an answer to SD, we can still use the principles of the scientific method to find and solve our own issues. Hypothesis -> Testing -> Analysis -> Results.

      I’ve been looking at a ton of medical literature lately. I think I’ve read atleast 70-80% of all the studies you can find regarding SD. The biggest issue seems to be that there is little innovation in most of the studies around SD. Much of the same topics are still being examined as back in the 50s.

      The topics are typically related to trying to control the bacteria through topical approaches. The overall consensus is that cortisone creams should not be used for treatment as treatment is typically ongoing and side effects of cortisone use are often unavoidable.

      In essence what is happening with our skin is that the sebum being produced is unprotected from consumption by yeasts and bacteria. This allows of proliferation (spreading) of the yeast and an increase in by-products of their feeding process (
      The role of sebaceous gland activity and scalp microfloral metabolism in the etiology of seborrheic dermatitis and dandruff
      ). The results of this are the irritation and scale formation that we experience.

      It is interesting to note that the yeast and bacteria that cause issue for us are found on the skin of health individual as well. So it seems our sebum is lacking in something that protects it from consumption by foreign bacteria. And everything I’ve seen points to antimicrobial peptides and antimicrobial fatty acids. Luckily there seems to be more research in this area since about 2008.

      Hoping to write a comprehensive post on all this in the near future.

      All the best and look forward to any updates.
      PS. Your English is great and better than many native speakers. 🙂

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    marcel

    Michael,

    Thanks for all of your thorough posts. I have a quick question: you mentioned “protecting the affected area from the sun”. I was under the impression that the sun might be good for vitamin d and because the yeast wouldn’t want to grow in the uv environment. This is the first i have heard of staying away from sunlight as a part of a treatment. Can you please elaborate on that theory?

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      Michael A.

      Hi Marcel,

      Thanks for the kind comment.

      It is true that the sun is very good at destroying bacteria. However, it is also very good at drying out skin. This can be especially problematic if the skin is already damaged.

      What I did, was found a gentle sun screen (used one meant for babies). This protected the skin form the sun keeping it from drying out. Yet, it allowed the sun to do it’s job in killing off the bacteria. Additionally the zinc used in most sun screens seems to help malassezia yeast.

      Are you currently attempting any of the treatments?

      Hope that helps. Best of luck.

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    NEWJERSEYGUY

    This sounds fascinating. I will buy the Restoraderm and the shampoo. One thing though…As magical as they sound I want to know why they work. The shampoo makes sense because of the organic and fruit based ingredients. I’m just concerned about the Restoraderm in the long term. It does not seem any more natural than other synthetic/artificial/chemical based products out there. In any case it is fantastic that so many people testify to it clearing the skin and I will report my results soon.

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      Michael A.

      Hi There,

      As for the Restoraderm, if you look at the ingredients it’s actually not that bad. Especially if you compare it with many of the other things people use.

      The one issue I personally had was the preservative in the wash. However, I usually wash really quick and only with a tiny amount so I doubt it would have any negative effect.

      My theory is the arginine and ceramides are responsible for much of the results. Medical papers suggest that topical application of arginine regulates skin responses, improves skin circulation, and help with hydration. Creams for arthritis frequently make use of arginine. I’m planning to put together a comprehensive post that looks into why it works.

      Additionally my skin feels quite health using it. Can’t say the same for many other products I’ve tried.

      Honestly though, I wouldn’t stress too much about the ingredients. Just do what feels right.

      Hope that helps and best of luck. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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  17. Donna Profile Photo
    Donna

    Another week sebohrreic dermatitis free! (That makes it 3 weeks clear now). My skin feels amazing and hydrated. Doing nothing else but putting a tiny bit of Cetaphyl Restoraderm lotion on my face every morning and every night after washing my face with a gentle cream cleanser (Simple is the brand). I use tepid water- never hot to rinse it off.

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    Donna

    Hi,
    Well to say I am delighted is an understatement! I am so grateful to have found this website. After 13 long years of trying different products and diets, I finally have my sebohrreic dermatitis under control! I purchased and have been using the Cetaphyl Restoraderm lotion with amazing success. My skin has been clear for 2 weeks.
    My story is that I have always had sensitive skin but started to get strange rashes on my face so saw a dermatologist in 2002 who diagnosed me with Rosacea. I was prescribed a low dose antibiotic and steroid cream which seemed to clear it for a time and was sent on my way. Back then my outbreaks were a few times a year and cleared fairly quickly with the meds. Fast forward it was getting worse and worse to the point where I was permanently irritated and peeling around my nose and chin. At this point I saw another Dermatologist who told me I didn’t have Rosacea, I had sebhorreic dermatitis. Similar meds were prescribed which as soon as I stopped using them, the dermatitis came back. I noticed my skin thinning and was concerned that I was doing myself harm on the meds so started looking for alternative solutions. After trying all sorts of different products and ideas, including buying from overseas and trying different diets over a 3 year period, I became very depressed. Then I found this website and as they say, the rest is history. I got the Cetaphyl Restoraderm which cost Aud $24 (compared to what I’ve spent on other products which mostly burnt and made my skin worse), this is reasonable. I use a pea sized blob of it which does my whole face and neck every morning (it’s a great, non greasy moisturiser as well). Within 2 days my nose and chin were clear and the Seb. Derm has not returned.
    It’s fabulous! Thank you for caring enough about others to post your findings so that people like me can get relief. I hope others have the same success.

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      Michael A.

      Hi Donna,
      Great the hear the goods new. Really happy it worked out for you, as well as it did for me.
      It’s crazy how much stuff people recommend can be ineffective and yet something as simple as some eczema wash can have such amazing results on the SD.
      Another reader mentioned she improved with just l-glutamine, so that was interesting to hear as well. Maybe the combination approach really hit it off for me.
      It’s been almost a year now and it’s been smooth sailing. A couple months ago I had some intense tingling and slight redness come back, but it went away quickly. Strangest thing was that it was in a spot on my face it was never present before.
      Hope others stumble upon this post as well, I’m going to add a big link on the other pages as this approach seems to have the highest success rate.

      Look forward to any updates and best of luck!

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    Darryl

    Hey Michael, I’m Darryl and I just turned 30. And I have been diagnosed with SD. I’ve nevrr experience anykind of allergic reactions or skin conditions in my life. Tho exsema and psoriasis both run in my family. 4 months ago I tried a hair fertilizer cream for a few months and it irritated my scalp and started the SD. Ever since I’ve noticed a correlation between irritation and inflammation and my hair fallin out which has been happening ever since. The GP just told me to use selsum blue and won’t refer me a dermatologist cuz she so sure she knows SD so well. I had to beg her for some kentonazole 2%. My cousin, with SD, just sent me a bottle of selsum 2.5 and the flakes are minimal but my scalp is so dry and itchy! And I haven’t out anything but on my head for the last month cuz the GP recommend me not to. Can you please give me some advice. Btw in a black male with course hair so I have to use somthin to keep my scalp moisterized and a pomade to hold style my hair. Thank you and it’s most appreciated.

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      Michael A.

      Hi Darryl,
      Currently the Restoraderm has still been working well for me. Haven’t had any significant seborrheic dermatitis on the face for over 6 months. Also I’ve stopped supplementing with L-Glutamine as outlined in the post. Wanted to stop supplementing with it for a while as I don’t enjoy supplements very much.

      For my hair (which had pretty intense dandruff) I’m still using this moisturising shampoo . Has been working well for me. When I feel the dandruff starting up I just wash thoroughly with the shampoo and it seems to balance out. When I was using anti-dandruff shampoos previously they seemed to work by nuking the scalp and killing everything there. The moisturising shampoo approach has been quite different, it seems to balance the oiliness quite well and the dandruff never get’s a chance to build up. Not sure how this would work for you. I’ve got have regular short blonde caucasian hair. In conversation with Jina I outlined quite a bit of my whole experience so far.

      Let me know if you have any updates or questions.

      Best of Lucky Darryl

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        Darryl

        Thanks gent, I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. I’ll def get these products you mention. Especially the glutamine. I used to take it b4 the sd anyway. How often do you wash your hair with the shampoo and can I find it at a whole foods store or just online? And do you use any oil to moisturize your scalp or just the shampoo? And again thanks for your help.

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          Michael A.

          Hi Darryl,
          Typically I shampoo almost everyday just because I exercise regularly and usually use styling gel (both of which require washing).

          As far as oils, I haven’t been using any oils on my hair, strictly just the shampoo (no conditioner or anything either). In my whole experience with seborrheic dermatitis oils always seemed to make it worse. Most research papers I looked at typically demonstrated that oils feed the bacteria which is believed to cause the seborrheic dermatitis.

          In terms of availability, my guess would be that it is available at Whole Foods and many others. I’ve seen it for sale in two of the most popular supermarkets here in Canada (Superstore and Save on Foods both had it in the natural section).

          Best of Luck in 2015 🙂

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            Darryl

            Thanks Michael its appreciated. I recently went to the derm and he gave me some nizoral shampoo and luconazole. And a steroid for the face. I feel like they’re effective but are too hard for my skin. Yet and still I’m still having flaking and even a few sensitive patches that still are going away. My hair is still thinning and kinda got me depressed. Just trying to shake It off. This is so frustrating. On the days I don’t use the nizoral shampoo, I use the shampoo you recommend with a natural conditioner but i find even the oil on there kind off feeds the dandruff maybe. It’s just a lot of trial n error I guess. Thinkin of trying acv with baking soda and see what that does. Thanks as always.

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            Michael A.

            Hope everything start improving for you. During my time with seborrheic dermatitis I had quite a bit of ups and downs. It was like a roller coster ride to be honest. One day you find something and you see things improve you get all happy and think its over, then bam it comes back out of nowhere. Then you have a bunch of bad days and you feel like staying home all day so no one sees your messed up skin. Main thing is hang in there, stay calm and keep trying things I guess.

            For me the transition to this shampoo was quite strange as well. Especially coming from shampoos like Head and Shoulders and T-Gel. It definitely took a couple weeks of adjustment. However, I believe it was key to getting my scalp under control without anti-dandruff/anti-fungal shampoos. The only reason I went for the switch is because everyone who has dandruff is advised to use oil controlling shampoos, however this never seems to actual solve the problem, but control it instead. So I thought why not try the opposite, give my scalp an highly moisturizing shampoo and try to trick it into stop producing oil on its own. Seemed to pay off in the end. Everyone is different though, so i’m not sure if your results will be the same.

            Baking soda and salt was quite effective for my head dandruff, but did very little for my face. The apple cider vinegar was more effective on the facial skin and not very effective for the scalp. Let me/others know how they work for you.

            Here in Vancouver I saw some of the best dermatologists and to be honest I got ton of crap advice along the way. The top rated dermatologist in my city told me that the seborrheic dermatitis will never go away, that it’s genetic, and the only solution I have is using anti-fungal creams and shampoos for the rest of my life to keep it away. At the time his words really affected me and I thought I had to live with it forever. After a bunch of other visits to different clinics one young Indian doctor told me she had the same thing and got rid of it. She is the one that advised I try the Restoraderm and the importance of protecting the affected area from the sun. If you have medical coverage you could keep trying different doctors/dermatologists if you have the time. Maybe you stumble upon someone who gives you that magical advice.

            Did you end up trying the Restorderm by the way or is the issue just on your scalp?

            In terms of hair loss, this was never an issue for me. However, a friend of mine who doesn’t have dandruff had rapid hair loss and balding. He read about using some Jamacian Castor oil treatment and that seemed to get things under control for him. Maybe you should look into that, somewhere in my research I remember reading that it might be effective for seborrheic dermatitis as well.

            On a side note.
            My treatment is still going strong. Even during the holidays when my diet went to shit and I was drinking a bit, I had no inflammation. A few flakes in the ears, on the scalp and the nasal folds sometimes still appear. These are really minimal though and nothing problematic like before.

            Also I found a lot of the depressing aspect can come from reading stuff online. Some of the stuff people theorize and state can be really disappointing, frustrating and even frightening. My two cents is don’t get too attached to most of the stuff you read online and be wary of people who state they know exactly how the condition works.

            Once again, best of luck. Hope you find something. This condition is a real pain in the ass.

  20. Mo Profile Photo
    Mo

    Hi Michael,

    I will find out the name of the dead sea salt I tried. Of course everyone is different but to be honest the sea salt I was using didnt work for me in the beginning and I was just using it for desperate days. There was an occurance were I poured too much of it on a small bucket of hot boiling water, I knew thatit was too much for the little water I had in the bucket but I was so desperate I didnt care. I soaked a cotton cloth and placed it on my face gently pressing without moving the cloth…it hurt like hell! But I didnt care. The next morning I felt a huge difference and the parts that were so bad and had no hope of feeling soft have softened without any itching or tightness….I will find out the exact name of the dead sea salt and will let u know…

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      Michael A.

      Hi Mo,
      Yeah, i heard similar experiences from others online (intense treatment approaches that pay off).

      For me it felt like there could be a possibility of damaging my skin. This made me very cautious and I would give up quickly if my skin experienced any intense reactions. For example my sea salt treatments were always very gentle.

      Look forward to hearing which brand of dead sea salt you used. The one I bought was the Minera one (believe it was cited in that curezone post). Also have you tried actual sea/ocean water? I found it was even more effective for me.

      Beat of Luck.

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        Mark Lynch

        Michael/Mo,

        I tried the Sea Salt in a basin with water, each nite I would wash it up onto ,my face and pat dry, to be honest it stung like crazy and didn’t do any good, same if I go to the beach and swim when I have a break out, it makes it worse, but if I am clear it doesn’t sting…Im sure its different strokes for different folks.

        Mark

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          Michael A.

          Hi Mark,

          Initially the sea salt treatment was very soothing for my. However, sometimes I would have similar results as you (it would actually inflame the skin and cause excessive dryness). Not sure exactly why this happens, maybe its proportions, maybe its just when the skin is too damaged it has a negative effect.
          Overall I definitely agree with you, what works for one person might have a completely different effect on others.

          Good luck.

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  21. Mo Profile Photo
    Mo

    Michael.

    your very welcome.

    I think this is a link sent from God himself. I cannot believe someone has found relief and a cure from the methid I strongly believe…..read this …I couldnt have written it better. Its EXACTLY what I do/use (the aveeno etc). I believe that this is a cure. There is hope people!

    http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=2057688

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      Michael A.

      Hi Mo,

      This was one of the first posts/places I had heard about the sea salt treatment. Followed the exact method there and even purchased that specific dead sea salt.

      For me I had to adjust the treatment. Aveeno didn’t work too well so I used Gold Bond Healing instead (was recommended on Youtube video). Also the dead sea salt actually had worse results then my regular one from Trader Joes.

      Thanks again for the update.

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  22. Mo Profile Photo
    Mo

    Hi Ladies and Gentlemen.

    I actually came across this blog because I suffer from SD myself. However I didnt come here for a solution but because I was amazed at the results that dead sea salt had on me, so I decided to look around online to see what others have experienced, in a way to convince myself that this isnt a temporary treatment.

    I have tried a billion things in the past (just like michael). But this seems to be doing it for me.

    I dont just suffer from SD but also from bad eczema . Both combined is a very distressing exoerience.

    in the past two weeks I have stuck with dead sea salt called “magik” (bought from holland and barratts) and aveeno eczema therapy moisturiser. That was it.

    My method. I would use a bucket and put very hot water and then pour ALOT of the sea salt. I would then mix it and taste it to make sure its very concentrated. I then will use a cloth to soak it in the solution then slowly place it over my face very slowly and lay down for 5-7 minutes. Whenever I feel the cloth getting cooler, I just soak it again in the solution. I spend about 20 to 25 minutes repeating this method. Its very painful but I just think of the relief that follows. I’ll then rinse my face with luke warm water under the shower for 10 minutes. Straight after ill pat dry my face and apply the aveeno.

    I repeat this method 2 -3 times a week before I sleep. It has been amazing. The comvination of the cream and the salt has been so good that my skin feels normal. I am praying that this carries on so that my skin heals. It has been the most promising method I have uswd within the 4 years I have seeked relief. I also want to try it with hamilayan salt. Ive never drank a salt solution but will deffo start that tomorrow.

    Please dont underestimate my situation with SD ..it is worse than most people I have seen with SD. the method my seem basic and obvious but it has been great.

    Am tired at this very moment to cover everythingI want to say but please ask any questions if u have any.

    thanks

    mo

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      Michael A.

      Dear Mo,

      Thank you for taking the time to get back online and write about your experience and provide details on your specific approach.

      I’m glad to hear that you have finally found some relief and excited to hear that it was with the sea salt.
      Seborrheic dermatitis is a horrible condition and has a detrimental effect on day-to-day life.
      Even though it is not life threatening, it can really impact a persons well being.

      Definitely stay in touch!

      PS> If you have the time and energy, send me a write-up of your exact approach and I can add it to the sea salt post.

      Best of luck.

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    Jina

    Thnx for your thoughtful comments!
    I read this info quite a few days ago but read it one more time as you linked it.
    I read comments as this morning my skin feels so hot and redness gets severe after soaking dead sea salt water. It feels like sun burn. Also dryness was so strong that i applied moisturizer a little bit. Although it calms down little by little now but i think sea salt water is harsh to my skin. My skin got worse after trying it 5 days. Some says patience is needed as it can be worse at first but im worried.
    Should i give it a try for one week more or quit?
    Or just doing once a day?(night)

    I think cetaphil would be great to me so i will give it a try.
    I once tried cetaphil gentle skin cleanser but that was awful as it made so many pimples.
    But i think restoraderm line will be different.
    I used organic cleanser,skin and cream before using sea salt water and that improved my
    Sd so much but didn’t cure it entirely. My redness still presents.

    Also i will try l-glutamine. But worried about it a little bit as some said it made sd worse.

    Anyway do you know astaxanthin and tumeric are good in curing sd?
    I read it in the internet. They are anti oxidants.

    And do you recommend probiotics?
    People say immune system is important and some’s improved very much after taking it.

    Also i tried candida test at home(saliva in glass of water) and it seems like i had many candidas. Leaky gut, maybe. I kept my diet healthy for 1 yr and it helped me a lot. I didnt quit bad things entirely but consumed it twice or third a week although didnt quit brown rice.
    Do you think quitting them entirely is the answer??

    Thanks for reading this long comment.

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      Michael A.

      Haven’t heard of astaxanthin, but have tried tumeric. Went about two-three weeks taking a tablespoon with some almond milk.
      Personally the tumeric didn’t have any affect on me. However I have a friend that uses it for his sport injury and it seems to work well for his inflammation.
      It’s quite gritty and unpleasant to take as a supplement. Sometimes I still add it to fried onions, but that’s about it.

      As far as anti-oxidants and supplements go. I’ve tried tons based on recommendations found online.
      N-acetyl-l-cysteine, resveratrol, quercetin, high dose vitamin c (in many different forms), colostrum, msm, zinc l-carnosine, regular zinc, vitamin d, plus tons of others.
      Honestly in about 3-4 years I spent a ton of money trying all the different supplements people online recommended.
      In the end nothing really had any long term effects on the seboorrheic dermatitis and now I got a ton of supplements laying around that will soon expire.

      My experience with practically every single treatment option that I tried was the same. If I didn’t see results and positive changes from the first 1-2 times, they never came later on. For example I used aloe vera for about 2 weeks and it made my seborrheic dermatitis extremely inflamed and red. However, I was convinced by stuff I read online that it should heal it and that if I kept at it everything will go away. The aloe vera never ended up working for me and instead it forced me to go school and work with a blistering red face.

      Another takeaway from all my experimentation is that much of the time less was more. For example too much sea salt (too alkaline) or too much apple cider vinegar (too acidic) would burn and damage the effected skin. This resulting damage would make the skin more prone to bacterial penetration and also actually be the cause of much of the inflammation. As a result more damage would be done than the benefits gained. Using milder solutions, taking things slowly (allowing the skin to adjust) and being gentle with the skin seemed to produce the best results.

      For probiotics I tried a bunch of different store bought stuff (let me know if you would like a list) and experimented with home-made.
      The biggest effect was that they made me go to the wash-room frequently. As for the seborrheic dermatitis it was still coming and going on it’s own schedule.

      Two that stood out where biotin which gave me strange rashes all over my body and caprylic acid which made seborrheic dermatitis vanish completely for about a month.
      Not sure if the caprylic acid was just a coincidence or it actually did something internally. After it’s initial success it never did anything again.

      In regards to candida and all the diets. My opinion is that a lot of it is misinformation written by uneducated people. If you believe you have candidadis you should be able to get simple testing at any local medical facility.
      To be honest though, for while this whole theory drove me nuts. I had all of kinds of scary thoughts about deep fungal infection or something of the sort. At one point I attempted to cut carbohydrates completely, but this just made me weak and my mind was always in a foggy state. Honestly I think all of this misinformation serves to make seborrheic dermatitis as it spikes stress and the bloods cortisone levels. Lots of the stuff written out their is quite scary and can easily put you in a constant state of tension, fear and anxiety.

      H pylori is much more common than candida. When I went to take full medicals they actually found that I had h pylori and I was given some antibiotics for it.
      At that time I was quite hesitant to take the antibiotics since so many forums say that antibiotic use is one of the initial causes of seborrheic dermatitis. However, in the end I took the antibiotics, got rid of h pylori, but this didn’t have any effect on the seborrheic dermatitis.

      My biggest progress actually came when I read about leaky gut in some research papers (exact reason I started supplementing with l-glutamine).
      At the same time I took a moment to reflect on the past and remember how things were before the seborrheic dermatitis started effecting my life.
      I decided to completely stop browsing the internet for solutions suggested by random people, stopped reading forums, stopped searching online in general.
      Instead I enrolled in a nutrition course through Coursera and re-learned the fundamental basics of modern nutrition.

      Returned my diet to normal and the only two supplement I would take were l-glutamine and vitamin c.
      At this point my seborrheic dermatitis became much less aggressive and the areas that remained were eye-brows, ears, nose and scalp.
      Then completely by chance I was taking my little brother to his paediatrician and the doctor noticed my flakes. She said it looked very similar to some eczema she had and that the Restoraderm worked well for her. When I was leaving she gave me a whole bag of different moisturiser and cleanser samples (a few of which were the Restoraderm). A few weeks went by and I didn’t touch the bag of samples since my skin was mostly doing well (also I previously tried so many different cleansers and moisturisers that I really had lost hope for them).
      Then one day that I had a bit of redness that appeared I decided to give it a try. It ended up working very well and since then it’s been my go to cleanser.

      Hope this answered some of the questions you had.
      Wish you all the best and hope you find something that finally works for you.

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        Jina

        Thnx then i don’t have to control my diet too harshly, right?
        Thanks for ur comments!
        After trying l-glutamine and cetaphil,
        I’ll let you know how’s it going.
        Thank u!

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          Michael A.

          Everyone is different. If your concerned about candida or food sensitivities the best thing to do is get tested.

          For me all the diet restrictions and modifications seem to have resulted in unnecessary stress. Currently I eat mostly anything, except dairy (which I’m not really a fan of anyway).

          Too much fatty foods especially mixed with lots of carbs seem to get the skin tingling though.

          Never found the exact connection, but I do believe that the seborrheic dermatitis is somehow linked to digestion. Something along the lines of fat not being properly assimilated and causing all sorts of immune responses.

          On the few occasion I attempted water fasting my skin would normalize completely. At about the second/third day even the worse of it would heal.

          All the best.

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          • Jina Profile Photo
            Jina

            Yesterday night i tried honey cleanse wanting to soothe my skin.
            It felt like boiled water+raw honey was a little bit thick but i just put it on my face. I couldn’t rub it as it was so thick.
            Just put it on and washed it after 1 min.
            Tzone and place near nose became red(worst of all moment)
            I thought it would relieve overnight but it didn’t.
            Redness is the worst and my face feels hot.
            Does this mean honey is not suitable for me,
            Or bcuz it was so thick?(maybe i put water so little)
            I wanted to try it in the morning but it could be even worse so i just washed my face with kiehl calendula cleanser(what i used for one week before)

            Should i quit honey too?

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            Michael A.

            Maybe the honey isn’t right for your skin.
            It does sound like your mixture was too thick. My mix was the consistency of a typical cream and application was very easy.

            Perhaps try patch testing before fully committing to a treatment. Like a small application in the area of skin behind the ear on near the hair line. This could give you clues on how your skin should behave to the treatment.

            Wish I could give you a more concrete answer on which treatment option will be best for you. Seems like each persons skin behaves differently to things.

            Wish you all the best and hope you manage to finally get it under control. If you have any updates/changes it would be interesting to hear back.

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            Mark lynch

            i

            Hi Michael,I have tried the water fast and done some serious damage to my entire system,and broke out in the most severe rashes,apparently it’s all the gunk coming out of your system but I also lost 10 kg which I didn’t want to lose,I basically looked terrible…id never do another cleanse…
            Mark

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            Michael A.

            Hi Mark,

            Yeah, there was another reader who had similar results from the water fast. However, I have mixed feelings regarding the theory that it is all the gunk coming out of system. There are so many aspects that could be at play that the one fits all approach is likely flawed (yet it may also be applicable..).

            For example, perhaps by fasting you simply restricted the system of the antimicrobial peptides and oils it needs to defend the glands which they are secreted from and this lead to further infiltration by the microbes present on your skin..

            There are just so many things that could be occurring that it would be hard to really make any assumptions without a deep understanding of your personal history/circumstances.

            All the best.

  24. John Profile Photo
    John

    Hey Michael. I have severe SD and have been trying everything. Right now im currently soaking my face 2-3 times a day in warm sea salt water, which tames but throughout the day it does flare up and make my face very dry. Was curious why you stopped ingesting the sea salt? Also have you ever tried anything else? Apple cider vinegar, specific oils. i’ve heard of people swallowing whole pieces of garlic. Appreciate any feedback.

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      Michael A.

      Hi John,
      I’ve tried an immense amount of things to try and control SD. Everything from Apple Cider Vinegar, to Grapefruit Seed Extract (external/internal), Clay Masks, Honey Masks, MSM, Biotin, diets, cleanses, fasting. Pretty much everything that you can find online I’ve tried it. I’m even putting together a post that outlines every single thing that I’ve tried (will be a huge post). However, my current regimen has been working for the longest and it’s been quite bulletproof so far.

      The biggest thing I recommend against is strong anti-fungals. Seems like they just burn the intestines and cause things to worsen.
      If you have Skype, message me your ID (I wont make the comment public) and I can try to walk you through each step of my process and regimen.

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        shelley

        Hi Michael. I am feeling unbelievably low as I am currently suffering the worst outbreak of seborrheic dermatitis I’ve ever had. I now have patches of dermatitis all over my body and cannot go out as my red, inflamed and itchy scalp and face draws too many unwelcome looks and comments. I read your post sometime ago and was initially getting good results with the iodine and l-glutamine. I made the mistake of not taking the products with me when I went to stay with a friend, and consuming lots of sugar (I also had good results with cutting out gluten/sugar in the past) My whole face was so inflamed that I ended up in a and e. I saw a fantastic doctor who, very reluctantly, prescribed oral steroids (in her private practice she is a qualified nutritionist and said she has seen total cures in people with cases worse than mine, once they follow a low carb/gluten and sugar free diet and begin drinking raw milk and eating fermented foods) I’m currently so depressed about it all I’ve lost all faith in anything. Sorry for the long winded reply, but I don’t know anyone in person who suffers with this. I’d be very grateful if you could Skype me too, I’m back taking the l-glutamine, but finding the iodine now brings me out in an immediate rash. I have tried sulphur soap, raw honey masks, tea tree oil, coconut oil, sea salt washes (which initially cleared my skin completely but now don’t seem to work), aloe Vera and lush dream cream (which some people swear by) I take biotin, high strength b vitamins, a liver cleansing multi vitamin, 2 billion live bacteria and vitamins d3 and k2 daily, along with the l glutamine and hydraulic acid. I am currently waiting for a delivery of high strength zinc supplements and kefir grains. I also oil pull with coconut oil every day. I would gratefully accept any health and advice. Thank you.

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          Michael A.

          Hi Shelley,
          Sorry to hear the bad news. To be honest, your current approach seems a little overkill. For me, the complex supplement combinations typically had poor results.
          I’ve emailed you my Skype ID. Look forward to connecting.
          All the best and I’m sure thing will improve.

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          Jyll

          Not to butt in but for in the meantime, in between time this website has a great spray that keeps the redness/scaliness at bay. I’ve had SD for 20+ yrs and it’s been God sent, in all honesty. I’m not a salesmen nor exaggerator. Check out all the info she provides [LINK REMOVED – CONTACT ME IF YOU NEED IT]

          As a side note, I haven’t noticed a real mention of this offender but I know for sure when I consume hot sauce, ie., Tobasco or Tapatio my skin inflames within a day and takes a few more days to calm down. Andddd….. Ayurvedic practice and approach can take you far. Find your dosha and try adhering to their suggestions when it comes to the foods you consume and what you should eliminate. Food combinations. Sleep/water/exercise/sunlight/meditation…. To heal oneself we have to address yourself as a whole rather than treat a symptom. Mind/body/soul type deal. Focus on energy. What you put out and what you allow in. Pay attention to the circadian rhythm. Eat foods that are actually in season and such. I stumbled across this site because the perfectionist in me still can’t let go of the thought that there’s an easy, one-size-fits-all not out there. Message of the day (of my life): Find What Works For Me and stick to it. Best wishes to us all

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            Michael A.

            Hi Jyll,
            Thanks for your comment. Had to take out the link sorry. A quick search brought up a bunch of spammy links to the same page you provided. For this reason, I have had to remove it.

            The rest of the post sounds like good advice. However, personally I felt like this is exactly what I had to get away from. Trying to take a bunch of advice on the things I should do, follow, consume. Trying to improve yourself by constantly judging your actions can be a stressful practice in itself.

            My current approach has been to just do what feels right. Don’t pay attention to anything except my own inner feelings. Don’t listen to people who say you should eat this because it’s healthy and not eat that because it’s not. I feel the body is quite good at telling you if you are doing something. Learning to understand your body without over analyzing and second guessing things seems to be key for me.

            When my seborrheic dermatitis was bad, I was constantly trying to figure out what food it might. What it was I was doing that kept it from going away. This barrage of negativity seemed to only make it worse. Only once I stopped and just let things be, I was able to calm down and just tune-in to what is right for me.

            All the best.

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