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Raw honey is not only a delicious and highly nutritious alternative to table sugar, it is also an excellent option for treating seborrheic dermatitis. There are countless people who claim to have had great success treating seborrheic dermatitis with raw honey and this post will look at the methods being used.

What is Raw Honey and How to Tell the Difference

If you have never heard of “raw” honey, it is basically an all natural unheated and unfiltered honey. Raw honey is opaque and is typically solid at room temperature, while regular honey is quite clear and typically liquid.

The easiest way to tell the difference between regular honey and raw honey is to simply read the label. Most honey manufactures clearly label raw honey as it is gaining popularity as a health food. If you don’t see raw honey on the shelves alongside regular honey, make sure to check out the health food isle where it might be hiding.

So now that you know the difference between regular honey and raw honey, we’ll dive deeper into the methods that people have successfully used raw honey to treat seborrheic dermatitis.

Treating Seborrheic Dermatitis with Raw Honey Facial Masks

Raw honey facial masks are super simple yet slight inconvenient method to treat seborrheic dermatitis. The first time I came across this method I was looking through Google Scholar for natural treatment options for seborrheic dermatitis. In my research I came across this particular research paper that concluded that raw honey was a very effective treatment method for seborrheic dermatitis.

Raw Honey Research Study

In the study patients applied a raw honey and water mixture to the seborrheic dermatitis effected skin and left it on the skin for a 3 hours. This procedure was performed every second day for four weeks. At the end of the 4 week period patients who improved stuck to prophylactic once weekly applications for an additional 6 months.

For most of the improved patients who did not undergo this additional 6 months the seborrheic dermatitis quickly returned. While the patients who continued to use the raw honey experience complete clearance of their seborrheic dermatitis.

Alongside this study there are many people online who recommend using this raw honey approach.

The most difficult part of this is sitting with raw honey on you face for 3 hours every second day. The honey typically starts to warm up, melt and drip off of the skin. Resulting in quite a sticky situation. However, the results obtained from this treatment can typically outweigh any mess made.

One of the significant takeaways from the research paper that not many others have mentioned online was that the treatment had to continue for the additional period of 6 months in order to be truly effective. These 6 months together with the initial 4 weeks makes up a total of 38 treatments (totalling 114 hours). That is quite a bit of time to spend with raw honey on your face.

Treating Seborrheic Dermatitis with Raw Honey and Virgin Coconut Oil

In addition to this raw honey treatment many recommend following up with virgin coconut oil as a moisturiser. These individuals claim that the virgin coconut oil is essential to keeping the skin moisturised after the honey has been washed off.

However, I strongly disagree with this approach. Coconut oil is actually sometimes used in laboratory conditions to grow and culture the malassezia yeast (considered to be the main culprit behind seborrheic dermatitis). As a result the application of the coconut oil can actually adversely effect results obtain from the raw honey. Please also note that the coconut oil used in labs for yeast growth is probably not organic cold pressed virgin coconut oil, but its hard to be certain that their is such a huge difference.

Raw Honey Treatment Directions

Here is a general outline of the treatment used in the study. This is pretty much the exact method all people on forums and blogs recommend as well.

  • Combine 9 parts raw honey to 1 part filtered water
  • Mix thoroughly
  • Gently apply a thin layer of this mixture to all effected skin (try to cover your whole head if possible, including scalp)
  • Leave the mixture on the skin for 3 hours
  • Gently rinse the mixture of with lukewarm and let air dry
That’s it. The skin should now feel supple and refreshed. You might experience a slight tingling sensation as the pores adjust after the sticky honey.

A good time to do the treatment is evenings. Not only is it typically the only time you are home for +3 hours, but it also seems the skin continues to further repair and improve while you sleep.

My Results with the Raw Honey Face Mask Treatment

In my experience this raw honey treatment was extremely effective. Even though 3 hours was quite a long time to devote to sitting around with raw honey, the results it gave me was worth it. After just the first application you can see how well this really works.

The raw honey melts and washes away the scales. The sugar in the honey pulls moisturise into the skin making it soft and supple. After the honey is washed off the skin feels refreshed and calm.

When attempting this treatment I went for about 2-3 weeks of continued applications. Then due to school and other events I had to miss a few days. After missing a few days the treatment seemed not to work as well. Sometimes the results would be as spectacular as initially other times the skin would stay red and inflamed. It’s as if the skin wasn’t sure what to do with the honey any more.

Ever since that break in the treatment I could never finish the full course outlined in the research paper. This is mainly due to the fact that the results have become inconsistent forcing me to attempt other solutions.

If I was to personally recommend treating seborrheic dermatitis with raw honey I would strongly underline the importance of sticking with it from beginning to end. Making sure that there are no interruptions during the 7 month period (4 weeks + 6 months).

Using Raw Honey as a Facial Cleanser for Seborrheic Dermatitis

This was another method I read about. It doesn’t control the seborrheic dermatitis nearly as well as the extended face masks, but is quite effective as an intermediary treatment.

To use raw honey as a facial cleanser simply mix 9 parts raw honey with 1 part water. The water will help the raw honey become more liquid and allow easier application. Once you have the mixture ready simply rub it between your hands and gently into the facial skin. If possible give it a few minutes to soak in and wash off with lukewarm water. Now simply let the face air dry and go on with your day.

My Experience With using Raw Honey as a Cleanser

During the few days between treatments I would typically use raw honey as my regular facial cleanser when the face became sweaty from exercise. It was effective at removing the sweat and dirt yet very gentle and highly moisturizing.

Even long after I stopped using the raw honey face masks I continue to keep cleansing with raw honey. It was simply, quick and usually helped soothe seborrheic dermatitis. Or at the very least it wouldn’t anger the skin as regular soap or cleanser did.

Consuming Raw Honey to Treat Seborrheic Dermatitis from Inside

Some people believe that the main reason why seborrheic dermatitis appears is purely internal (some type of infection). As a result there are people who claim that simply by consuming an adequate amount of raw honey (believed to contain anti fungal and antibacterial agents) you can rid yourself of the internal infection and the seborrheic dermatitis will go away on its own.

When I first read about this approach I was struck with joy. What if something so simple (unless you are allergic to honey) and so easy to do can truly get rid of my seborrheic dermatitis forever? Could it really be that simple?

My Experience With Consuming Raw Honey to Treat Seborrheic Dermatitis from Inside

In the end this approach along with all of promised results was too good to be true. Even if I consumed several tablespoon of raw honey every single day (did this for about a month) no clear results were obtained. Even if I added propolis, royal jelly and pollen to the raw honey, still nothing. The seborrheic dermatitis seemed to be following its own schedule and the consumption of raw honey had absolutely zero effects.

Currently I do not really consume any honey. For me the taste of maple syrup is more enjoyable then honey. Also I never really enjoyed honey to begin. Don’t get me wrong the sweet taste of honey is quite pleasant, it is just not something I go out of my way to eat.

Treating Seborrheic Dermatitis Using Raw Honey Mixed with Other Bee Products

As noted in the previous section some people add other bee products to the raw honey to make its healing power even stronger. The most common bee product to add to raw honey specifically for seborrheic dermatitis is propolis.

Propolis has been proven as quite a strong and effective anti fungal and antimicrobial agent. There are many studies outlining its superior natural ability to help fight local infection and many cultures have been using it for centuries.

As a result some people have attempted to add propolis to raw honey face masks or consume it on a daily basis. The theory is quite straightforward. The propolis will control and fight the yeast that causes seborrheic dermatitis and the seborrheic dermatitis will go away.

On paper and in theory it looks that propolis alongside raw honey could be the magic bullet. However, in practice the results aren’t quite clear.

Royal jelly and bee pollen can only be added topically. The are less potent as an antimicrobial than propolis,but  much more nutrient packed. The only way I’ve heard people use royal jelly or bee pollen is internally in combination with honey. They are said to strengthen the immune system and help fight off infection. However, their results in relation to treating seborrheic dermatitis are unclear.

My Experience with Additional Bee Products in Treating Seborrheic Dermatitis

Out of the three bee products mentioned above propolis was the only one that seemed to have some sort of effect on the seborrheic dermatitis. The first time I used it was together with raw honey and water in a face mask.

This combination worked about roughly identical to the raw honey alone. The addition of the propolis did not seem to improve the regular raw honey treatment.

When the regular raw honey seborrheic dermatitis treatment stopped working for me I kept attempting to use the propolis mixture as a super powered spot treatment for areas most affected by seborrheic dermatitis. My logic was the addition of propolis would make the treatment more potent and fight the dermatitis even when the honey alone was unable to. However, this was not really the case and at times the mixture would even further irritate the skin where it was applied.

There were also fairly long periods where I experimented with consuming propolis, royal jelly and bee pollen. Each on their own or even all combined with raw honey. During this time of experimentation I went through about 2 small bottles of propolis, one medium jar of royal jelly and another one of be pollen. In the end the results were unimpressive and I have since stopped consuming any of these three.

Overall I did not feel like the addition of any of these 3 bee products had any positive effects on the seborrheic dermatitis. The raw honey alone was the preferred choice for me.

Raw Honey Treatment Summary and Conclusion

The overall benefits of using raw honey to treat seborrheic dermatitis are unquestionable. The limited research shows that this method has some real potential and my results confirmed the research.

Even though raw honey did stop working for me as an effective seborrheic dermatitis treatment I would still recommend it to any who has not given it a try. Before beginning I would make absolutely sure that skin does not have any adverse effects to raw honey. To test this you can simply dab a minimal amount of raw honey on some easy to cover up skin and observe for any adverse reactions.

If you do decide to attempt treating seborrheic dermatitis with raw honey I would highly advise you stay on schedule and stick with it for the full treatment program (4 weeks plus 6 months) outlined in the research study. If you have any questions or would like to share your results please leave a comment below.

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73 Responses to “Basics of Treating Seborrheic Dermatitis with Raw Honey”

  1. Juan Profile Photo
    Juan

    Hi michael, I have been dealing with SD for 4 years, but recently I started loosing lots of hair on the front. i had stopped the chemical treatment because it drys my hair, but now Im going back to it since I would hate to be bald.

    I’m also gonna try your raw honey tecnique, my question is, should I do both at the same time or prioritize the raw honey?. What about aloe vera, vinegar?.

    Thanks a lot

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    Rinse_Away

    Hi, I’m thinking of embarking on this raw honey treatment, but have a few questions:

    – Is any type of raw honey fine?
    – After rinsing off the honey following the 3 hour treatment, in your opinion would application of diluted ACV be overkill? My skin is inflamed, but not leaking, but I am skeptical about trusting the honey on its own. Or what about the 5 mins sea salt in the morning in conjunction with the honey in the evening?

    Thanks for creating this great and informative blog. Hopefully I’ll be able to provide some positive updates in the future.

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    Christopher

    Hi,

    I’ve been using some prescription shampoo for my SD for about a year and a half now. It works decently for the night after washing with it, but then about mid-day the next day the itching always comes back, and I’ve had my hairline recede a bit as well because of the constant rubbing and scratching. I finally got tired of it and shaved my head to donate my hair (was about 14 inches). I’ve been wanting to try this honey method for a few months now after seeing the article and figured I’d wait ’til I donated my hair.. but I also have found some articles and videos about using castor oil to help rejuvenate inactive hair follicles, and help hair grow back faster/thicker/healthier. I am curious if you know of any reactions that may happen between castor oil treatment alongside the raw honey treatments? Could it have the same adverse reaction of growing yeast like the coconut oil? Basically you use the castor oil in a similar way, massaging it onto the scalp and leaving it on for a while (not 3 hours). I’d love to be able to both.. I’m just unsure if it’d be a good idea or if I should do them together or apart if I can do both.

    Thank you for any help you can give me if you’re able to

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    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      Hi Christopher,

      It’s unfortunate that you had to turn to such drastic measures (shaving your head).
      From the research I’ve seen Castor Oil and be used as a growth medium for the malassezia fungus. However, the I’ve working on a formulation for scalp treatments that actually includes Castor Oil. It is based on the original formulation outlined here: My Seborrheic Dermatitis Skin Regimen 2.0. The important thing appears to be the ratio of fatty acids present on the skin (one’s that prevent fungal growth versus those that encourage it).

      Overall though, I believe that simply reducing bacteria activity and improving follicle health should reverse hair loss and improve growth. An article that examines this in more detail is in the works (should be out by the end of next week).
      Personally, I would just do the honey treatments and see what type of effect they have on their own.

      Hope you can finally a suitable long term solution.
      Best of luck and look forward to hearing how things go.

      Reply
  4. Rebecca Profile Photo
    Rebecca

    I made too much of the raw honey and water mixture. Can I refrigerate it and use it again??

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    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      Hi Rebecca,

      Shouldn’t be an issue if you plan to refrigerate for a short period of time. However, I remember reading that it is most potent/effective if the mixture is made fresh. There appears to be some sort of reaction that takes place when the honey and water are mixed together.

      Hope that helps and best of luck in the New Year!
      Look forward to any updates.

      Reply
  5. Laura Profile Photo
    Laura

    I am new to the site and to seb derm. I made a lengthy post today about my experience in the raw honey forum/discussion if anyone is interested. It’s related to this topic, but I felt what I had was both general and specific so I thought the raw honey forum was an ideal place to post for discussion rather than here where it might get lost. Hope you’ll check it out and we can get further conversation going.

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    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      Hi Laura,

      Welcome to the community.
      Thanks for the details write-up. Will chime in on the forum. Hoping to finally have some extra time to spend on the website over the weekend.

      All the best.

      Reply
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    Riley

    Hi Michael,

    Thanks so much for making this amazingly helpful website! It’s the first time in my life I’ve ever had any kind of skin problems (didn’t even ever have acne or pimples in my teens) and now my face is an angry field of crusty sores, so this is pretty traumatizing for me, to say the least…

    It’s my first day trying the raw honey mask, and I forgot to mix it with water because of my overexcitement…. but I have a jar of boiled water I’ve put aside for the following days to come. My question is this: right now, I don’t use any moisturizer on my face because I mistakenly used an aloe-vaseline type of thing on my face thinking it’d help due to someone’s advice that petroleum jelly is helpful, only to have it make my symptoms become three times worse overnight. I’m afraid of something like that happening again, but I’m also worried about not moisturizing at all. But thankfully, I came across your site today and happen to have raw honey on hand.

    Do you recommend that I apply the Cetaphil Restoraderm lotion as well as using this mask? And do you recommend the Restoraderm body cleanser over zinc soap? My current routine is to wash my face with zinc soap twice a day and to use CeraVe when the dryness becomes really unbearable, but I haven’t seen any improvements so far and I’m scared to make any changes to my routine in case it makes things worse… I also wanted to try the Nystatin cream, but the only site I saw that ships to the U.S. charges almost 40 bucks for shipping alone, so I’m a bit reluctant to try that…

    Thank you so much for all your hard work! 🙂

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    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      Hi Riley,

      Yeah, strangely enough I had perfect skin until SD came into my life.

      Thanks for sharing your experience with the raw honey treatment.

      Hard to say regarding the combination. Once I started with the Restoraderm I completely ditched all other treatments.

      Currently, I’ve made my own product and have abandoned absolutely everything else. Right now my routine is as simple as can be. Rinse with water, wait a few minutes and apply Biom8. Since starting this regimen, my skin seems to actually look as it did before SD ever came around. It’s been a little more then 3 months, but hopefully this continues indefinitely. You can find details on my approach on the Regimen 2.0 post.

      Cerave never did much for me for some reason and zinc soap always left my skin extremely sensitive and pale.

      Hope that helps and let me know if you have any other questions.
      Look forward to any updates and best of luck!

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      • Riley Profile Photo
        Riley

        Hi Michael, I just wanted to update you with my results with the raw honey treatment. I stuck the instructions I found on a forum, washing my face and scalp with raw honey twice a day and doing face masks every other day for 3 hours straight, and using coconut oil to moisturize. My skin started to get better at first, but it grew increasingly worse in week 2 and week 3. The instructions said that this was to be expected, so I kept at it until the end of week 4… but I looked the same way I had during the beginning of week 1. Sigh…

        On the same day, however, I happened to receive the bottles of restoraderm products I’d ordered. I washed my face with the body wash, and all my scales melted off and left smooth skin behind, like magic!!!!! I don’t know if that was the effect of having undergone the honey treatment for 4 weeks, but either way, my seb derm is about 70% gone compared to before. It’s still red and the scaliness is still a bit present on one side of my face, but the other side of my facell is scale-free (albeit still just a tiny bit pink). Thank you for creating this site, because I probably wouldn’t have discovered the product otherwise!

        I ordered a bottle of BIOM8 also to try and incorporate into the restoraderm moisturizer, and also to treat my scalp with. I also got some Nystatin too, just in case. I’ll keep you updated! Thanks for making this site and for all the hard work you put into fighting seb derm!! 🙂

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        • Michael Profile Photo
          Michael

          Hi Riley,

          Thanks for the update and extremely happy to hear about your results with the Restoraderm. Since you experience with both the raw honey treatments and the Restoraderm was extremely similar to mine, I am optimistically interested in your results with the Biom8. 🙂

          PS. Depending on your comfort level, you may want to consider cutting out the Restoraderm and just going to Biom8. This really seemed to solidify my results/progress. Maybe start with a small patch of skin at first, until you get more comfortable.

          Look forward to any updates and best wishes for the New Year!

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    preeti

    hi, I want to know that after washing raw honey from hairs with water, on another day I have to wash my scalp with shampoo or not. If not then when can I wash my hairs with shampoo.. should I put any hair oil or only honey method is sufficient? PLEASE rly to my ques as I’m suffering sever hair fall from an year

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    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      Hi Preetin,

      When I was using the honey treatment I only applied it to my face. Never the scalp as it seemed to difficult of a process. Many of the anti-fungal shampoos seem to be very helpful in alleviating SD related hair loss. The seborrheic dermatitis shampoo article goes into the different shampoos in more detail.

      Hope that helps. All the best.

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  8. jojo Profile Photo
    jojo

    hey there,
    thank you for your skindrone site. love the name!
    did you try the honey also in combi with the cethapil samples? cleanser and moisturiszer?
    I tried honey for 7 months with great success before.
    what happened: no signs of sd no redness no flaking.
    but when I did wash with dove white soap bar I could see sometimes dead skin. 10 min afterwards it was not visable anymore. but left skin damage after some time.
    do I decided to quit.

    Instead of white soap bar I see that head & shoulders works also with honey.
    Now I look for a great moisturizer…….
    Now it comes.: when each product single lifts sebderm how come that those products used together don’t lifs sebderm or can make it worse in just seconds or minutes….
    that’s why I don’t believe the yeast thing is just a factor and not the main issue.

    Its like the cement of the skin just dissolves when u hit the skin with a wrong chemistry (products order)

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    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      Hi Jojo,

      The honey I was using previous to the Cetaphil. When I started the Cetaphil, I was only using the cleanser and moisturizer, nothing else. This worked really well for about a year. However, summer came and I noticed my skin was quite sensitive to the sun. So I started experimenting and made my own ointment based on research I’ve been doing. This comment has some more details on it.

      And yeah SD is tricky. Lots of the products that aim that controlling it also effect many of the beneficial bacteria that reside on our skin. As a result, the modified communities are much more unstable and SD seems to quickly return. I’m trying to write a book and the skin chapter goes into more detail on how the skin really works. Perhaps, it might provide some info into what’s happening.

      Hope that helps. All the best mate.
      Keeping things simple has worked well for me. Most of my real issues with SD were at the beginning when I was searching forums for answers. Some people give horrible recommendations :).

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      • jojo Profile Photo
        jojo

        Hey Michael,

        thank you for your feedback. and thanks for your forum and all the help.
        Good persistence. Is your skin surface damaged by sebderm? I mean that white caking or just that little small flakes or rashes can cause skin damage. also depending the skincare.

        bye

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        • Michael Profile Photo
          Michael

          Hi Jojo,
          My skin seems to have recovered fairly well from the damage cause be SD.
          The biggest thing I had issues with was skin tone, which was pale due to increased sensitivity of the skin to the sun.

          Currently, I have finally found a way to really bring the skin back to life. However, I’m waiting for feedback from the community. If it’s as effective for others as it has been for me, will definitely update here.

          All the best.

          Reply
  9. Connor Profile Photo
    Connor

    Hey Michael,
    I’m unsure what to do on the days in between you apply the raw honey? The facial wash what is that?
    Thanks Connor

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    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      Hi Connor,
      When I was doing the honey treatment, I would basically either not do anything or simply use a bit of honey as a face wash (seems to work rather well actually).

      Hope that helps. Any changes on the SD?
      Also just an update. I’ve fully stopped washing my face (except water) and have been using a custom lotion (natural and edible).
      Hoping to have some samples ready for the community soon.

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  10. Connor Profile Photo
    Connor

    Hey Michael,
    I want to try this after I finish my sea salt on my face and I have a question, should I apply the raw honey by its self without the other oils? And also what do you mean by 9 parts of honey?
    Thanks for your time 🙂

    Reply
    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      Hi Connor,

      For me the raw honey worked best on it’s own. Oil seemed to cause irritation to return quicker. Others report it worked well with coconut oil as a follow up.

      90% honey with 10% water. The water makes the honey easier to apply and it seems to activate some sort the beneficial properties as well.

      Let me know how it goes.

      Reply
  11. Akbar Hosain Profile Photo
    Akbar Hosain

    Dear
    one thing is not clear to me. do I need to use honey water every day in 4 weeks duration?

    Reply
    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      In the study the procedure was performed every other day for 4 weeks. After the 4 weeks they also performed once weekly applications for 6 months.
      If your doing the 3 hours treatments, it becomes fairly difficult to sustain this.

      All the best.

      Reply
  12. Roger Profile Photo
    Roger

    Hi,

    Really well-written article! I just wanted to say how different my experience has been with using coconut oil, having done the whole honey/coconut oil routine for about 2.5 years now.

    Maybe it’s different for everyone, but in my case using both honey and coconut oil as part of the treatment was extremely effective and any flare-ups I’ve had have usually lasted no more than a few days. I recently had a pretty bad one that was more stubborn than usual, and having been re-reading all this stuff I came across your page and decided to try not using the coconut oil for a while. It seemed to make it worse than ever – as bad as it had been at its peak before I’d discovered any effective way of managing it. A whole week of being redder and more uncomfortable than it had been in years.

    I had some big social events coming up and was pretty worried. I went back to the original treatment with the coconut oil and the results were almost instantaneous, it had mostly gone in 2/3 days and hasn’t really been back since. When I was using just honey, my skin felt exposed and painful after washing the honey off. The coconut oil seemed to soothe and calm down the seb derm.

    Scientifically I’m completely ignorant about any of the potential reasoning behind this, but in my case there’s zero doubt that coconut oil has provided vastly superior results to using honey by itself.

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    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      Hi Roger,

      Thanks for the kind words.
      Sorry about throwing you off of your original approach (with the coconut oil).
      Sometimes ignorance is bliss. 🙂

      Will make sure to update the post and add details about your experience.
      If you have the spare time, consider joining the community. You seem to have been using this treatment for a substantial amount and likely have valuable insights on regarding it.

      All the best and thanks again.

      Reply
  13. Mani Profile Photo
    Mani

    Hi,

    I’m going to give this a try, but not quite sure how I’d go through the whole process.
    Do I apply the mixture as directed and leave for 3 hours before rinsing, and then every other day; use it as a face wash? continuing for 4 weeks?

    When do I next have to apply for another 3 hour period?

    And, what’s the ‘4 Week + 6 Months’ about?

    Sorry, but I’m completely clueless 😀

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    • Michael Profile Photo
      Michael

      Hi Mani,
      Personally I didn’t use it as a face wash that much. I found that the masks were enough for me as it was.
      Yeah, I would leave it on the face for 3 hours then rinse off with cold water. Using coconut oil as a moisturiser after the mask seemed to make results worse.

      From what I remember the medical study had participants use the honey every other day for four weeks, then half of them remained on a prophylactic plan for 6 months (twice a week treatments).
      The majority of the four week only participants cleared up initially, but relapsed later when treatment was stopped. The ones who kept up with the prophylactic 6 month plan did not report any relapse.

      Check out the abstract of that study here.
      Additionally, I was never persistant enough to stick with the 3 hours masks for that long.
      I’ve written a more comprehensive post recently that summarises my whole experience with seborrheic dermatitis and what I’m using now.
      Here is a link to that post.

      Hope that helps.

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      • Rafael Profile Photo
        Rafael

        Hi,I signed up to keep up better.
        Well things have changed not sure if for worse or better its to soon to know.

        AHH I shaved my eyebrows to treat them better,I just pass my exams in uni so my plan its just go out for a heavy work out in the morning or noon wearin sun glasses of course while my eyebrows grow back stronger then soend time meditadin or some shit in my house chilling playing videogame but relaxing not payin attention to it.
        I bought a sulfure anti acne soap,I wanted a zinc 2% sopa bar but there is no stock here.
        My rutine now is,one hour before washing my face showerin I rub castor oil in my eyebrows,like 15 min rubbin then I wait 1n half hour to wash the oil off and rubb the soap gently on my eyebrows and T zone,then apply a moisturizing lotion and go to sleep.As I have no eyebrows now its a lot easier,and hair do not come off because you dont force the hair as much.
        We l see how this works.

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        • Michael Profile Photo
          Michael

          Hey Rafael,

          That sounds like quite a bold move. How has the shaved eyebrows been playing out now that it’s been almost a week?
          Honestly I can’t imagine going through with that, as it’s quite intense. However, I’ve read that back in the 50’s they would shave peoples heads to try and get rid of seborrheic dermatitis. The end results were mixed though.

          I’ve read about and seen the sulfur bars as well. Came really close to buying a bunch. However, things improved and I lost interest.
          Additionally, at the time I wanted to get away from that approach. They seem to work in the same method as dandruff shampoo, basically destroying all the organisms on the top layer of the skin and peeling it away. This can help control things, but I’ve found that long term the results are hard to maintain.
          Please share your results though, it would be interesting to hear your experience.

          What has held you back from trying the approach that worked for me?

          All the best. And sorry for the delay in response, it’s been a long week.

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          • Rafael Profile Photo
            Rafael

            Well,things are not going as I expected but it is what it is,I may have to wait one more week to even go out to public places specially if there are ppl that know me because I used to have very thick dark eyebrows and seein me with very few hair may be a shock.
            It a lot less stressing trating the eyebrow zone without seein lots of hair pulled out with no effort,now at least I tret the zone without stress.

            At least,I now know for sure that seb derm is the cause for my eyebrow thining,for the hair on the head it may be both male patern baldness and sed derm.
            Its weird some hairs are very srtong in zones with seb derm while other grow thin and slow as fuck.I already have like 30 thick grown dark hair in the eyebwros but next to that hair there is one growing very slow and thin,very werid.
            I used to pluck my eyebrows in one zone close to the unibrow,I plucked them a lot like for 2 years yet the hair will still come out as thick,it imposible that in one year of hairs fallin out with no effort meain not as agrassive as plucking the folicle has died,so now I know I will get my eyebrows back once I treat the seb derm.

            Man I dont know what treatmen folow no more,I wash my T zone one a day before showering with the anti acne sulfur soap bar then aplly very little moisturizing cream.
            For the head,I use a shampoo for greasy hair 5 days and 2 day I use one with ketoconazol 2%,the thin is every time I use the keto shampoo the scalp get very greasy,way faster than with the other,and the flakin and sebum has increased a lot losin a lot of hair also in the zone aroung my temples I reomve pretty pig patche of sebum,that exactly also where I lose more hair.
            FUUUCKK I dont really know what to do this shit is atackin the mosts aesthetic patrs of my body,it has really hit me man.
            Well,Im gonna do what you said somewhere,list a few treatments and try them one by one and stop searchin on the internet.
            Im now doing this
            Before sleep I wash eyebrow zone with anti acne soap,the rinse it off on the shower.
            on the shower I shampoo my scalp with said shampoos tryng to dont let it touch my face,all of this with almost cold water then out the shower pat zone with paper till dry also some hair dryr on cool air to dry it a lil more then aply the mosturzing cream on face and eyebrows go to sleep.
            I woke up,eat well,less gluten as posible no sugar etc.
            I mosturze one more time at noon or after doing exercise or sweating I pat dry zones with paper then aplly the mosturzing cream.Do you think I should wash my face two times a day with the soap?for the hair I dont know Im thinkin of tryng apple vinegar.
            What would you recomend me?
            Well that was a long post,then again thanks for responding that alone is helpfull.

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            Michael

            Hi Rafael,

            Sorry for the delay in response. Had a fever and was jammed with work at the same time.

            Have you ever considered or have gone to get full bloodwork done? Perhaps you may be deficient in some specific vitamins or minerals. Even when my SD took over my eyebrows or my scalp I never experience the amount of hairloss your describe. However, everyone is different.

            Honestly, I would highly suggest the treatment approach I took. It seems a good proportion of other reads have had really good results with it as well. What has kept you away from it?

            Check the comments section for feedback from people. Also this post has a huge comments section going as well.

            Yeah and crazy long post. Seems like your way over thinking it. Sometimes less is more.

            All the best and hope that helps.

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            Rfael

            Thanks for taking your time agian,sorry gain for that long post but as my english is not that good its hard to me to resume all.This time is shorter but it might caught your interest as well.

            Well Im about to try something new.
            Its called “biodecodificacion milecular” in english molecular biodecodification.searh Dr hammer if I translated it wrong.
            It about how all diseases start by stress or generational stress and traumes aka “cancer genes,alzeimer genes,eczmea genes” etc.

            So I went to a seminary about this,it really opened my mind,its true and has it logic,why in university they teach you how to cure or what is a disease but never say how this disease appeared??why animals have less diseases than humans??why the disease goes for some tome and then come back?all this was answered by person giving the seminary.
            The mind its what create this generational diseases,it make no sense that your life its a rulete to get cancer or lots of others,so this treatment works going back to your greatgrands,grandparents and parents to decode the conflicts of your mind.

            I really convince myself about how my seb derm is going to go,its been like more than week that I dont think about it,went out with my eyebrows fucked up and red,etc…….but it actualy got worse lol still,tho I didnt got my family tree decoded neither my mind so wll se next thursday about.the sesions are quiet expensive but many people say its the best,in one two or three sesions you are free of the disease.I also went to monk monastery that treat with energy and was told I have lots of stress inside and generationl and they gave me some herbs to take baths and drink.

            sorry if a took your time with my long ass posts lol.
            we keep in touch man,thanks alot for answering
            Still belive Im going to succeed,

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            Michael

            Hi Rfael,

            Quite a large comment for sure. 🙂
            Intersting to hear about your current approach. It sounds intersting, but I honestly think it might be too complicated to work well. Atleast this is my belief.

            Simple is key to having something work long term.

            Additionally, it’s hard to trust people who have never experience SD for themselves. It’s easy for a person to at a seminar to have convicing claims, but it’s often difficult for them to back these up with facts. So be careful friend. This is an area which is often full of surprises.

            In a way I do agree that it is related to your ancestry. However, the human genome is quite complex. So really pin-pointing a simple thing such a stress is quite hard.

            I believe ancestry plays a role in how are bodies are built. Going against our ancestry can cause stress for our bodies. For example if your ancestors ate mostly fruit, vegetables, grains, and other grown produce I believe your body will have issues eating mainly meat.

            Currently working on a comprehensive post that looks at all the current research in the area of internal issues and SD. Too much studies look at the topical aspects, without trying to figure out why it’s really happening.

            You will succeed! Just keep at it.
            I’m guessing you still have not tried the Restoraderm?

            All the best.

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    Mathieu

    23 days ago I’ve started raw honey treatment after failure with sea salt. I didn’t notice any improvement, nor deterioration. I’m moisturizing my skin with coconut oil which doesn’t want to soak in at all (a lot of pimples appeared cause first time I used too much of it, but even smallest amounts of it doesn’t soak in and after night i have a greasy layer on my skin). I don’t really know what to do now. Steroids doesn’t work, honey and salt doesn’t work… Maybe I’ll give ACV a try :S

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      Michael

      Hi Mathieu,

      Thanks for checking in. Coconut oil was a no go for me. It didn’t seem to have any positive impact initially, but over time it felt the seborrheic dermatitis actually got worse from using it. Additionally the bacteria/yeast which is believed to cause seborrheic dermatitis feeds on lipids (oils), so maybe that’s why the honey+coconut oil hasn’t been so effective.

      Or maybe your skin is reacting differently to the honey. Maybe it’s not for you. Did you see any improvements from it initially? It worked amazingly well when I first used it, with results kind of going into limbo over time.

      Not sure if you have seen this post, but I’ve tried to summarize as much as possible about my whole experience (interesting discussion in the comments as well). Hope it helps and let me know if I’ve missed anything.

      Best of luck and take care.

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        Mathieu

        > Did you see any improvements from it initially?
        No, I did not see any improvements
        ___

        Now my skin is somewhat like after using sea salt, stains are a little bit red and the rest of face is pale. I’ll try to tan it a little bit. Don’t know if I’ve mentioned my thyroid problem so I am doing it now, for about month and two weeks I’ve been taking hormons for hypothyroidism, thought it’s connected somehow because many people (most of them were women) have had SD and hypothyroidism in same time. I feel better after medication (mental relief) but it didn’t affect positively/negatively my SD. In two days I’ll definitely end my honey treatment and I need something to control SD, yes I’ve checked recommended post, but I don’t know what to choose yet.

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          Michael

          Hi Mathieu,

          Sorry for the delay in response. Yeah, I guess if it didn’t help right away it might not be the right thing for your skin. For me it was the opposite (worked really well at first, but was less effective over time).

          Hard to say which treatment would be the best. I’ve been using mine for about a year now and it’s been working all this time (I’ve stopped glutamine supplementation after about 6 months, but recently decided to take it every couple days just in case:D). There are other readers who have reported good results as well, with one reader only using the l-glutamine. Joakims nystatin treatment has been confirmed by readers as well. One reader even combined the restoraderm moistrizer with the nystatin and that seems to work for him (here is his update).

          Yeah, the thyroid stuff is likely playing a role here. I’ve seen lot’s of people report their seborrheic dermatitis issues started after hormonal changes (child birth, puberty, etc.).

          Hope you find something that works for you and let me know if you have any updates.

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            Mathieu

            I think I’ll go for l-glutamine treatment but i have to consult this with my first contact doctor because first thing I take in the morning, 30 minutes before eating anything is medication for my thyroid and I’ll have to take it for another six months to make sure my hypothyroidism have gone away, I’ll make new blood tests in 3 days and then I’ll ask him about glutamine.
            I googled it and few offers for bodybuilder’s appeared, should I get one of these or in tabs from a drug store?

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            Michael

            Hi Mathieu,

            Wrote a huge reply, but it got deleted when I switched chrome tabs by accident.

            Yeah, it would be interesting to hear what your doctor says in regards to the l-glutamine supplementation.

            Body builders use this stuff to heal soar muscles. So you can usually find it quite easy in most nutritional supplement stores. The one I purchased was from Amazon USA and made by Jarrows. After going through quite a bit of supplements based on online suggestions I’ve found Jarrows stuff to be quite good, so this is why I bought this one. There are other options here in Canada, but this one was the best value.

            From what I read, l-glutamine is made by fermentation of beets. So it seemed quite natural.

            If your deciding between pure powder and l-gluteamine pills, I would definitely go with the pure form as it doesn’t/shouldn’t contain any fillers. Let me know which one you end up getting.

            Hope that helps and look forward to any updates.

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            Mathieu

            oh and I’ve considered nystatin but I think I will stick to natural things to beat this SD out of me 😛

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    Kepi

    Thank you for all this info! Do you think this raw honey method would work for eyebrows as well? That is mainly where my seb derm is.

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      Michael

      Hi Kepi,

      Thanks for the positive feedback.

      Raw honey worked really for the seborrheic dermatitis on my eyebrows. My biggest issues mainly came from trying to control the forehead, cheeks, and nose.
      The eye brows seemed to be the easiest to control. Perhaps maybe because the eye brows were better at soaking stuff up.

      On a side note though, one reader just mentioned she had amazing success with controlling the eye brow area with ACV.
      Check out her comment for some more details.

      Hope that helps and all the best.

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        Rfael

        please heeelpp!!
        I have it on my eyebrows since a year,30%-40% of my eyebrow has fall off and many of the hair grew thinner…would this treatment make them grow back?
        How do I aplly it without being agrssive and remove all my hair that is left? I also have it on my scalp and lost a lot of hair in my temples because of it but still the eyebrows is the worse for my self steem by far.
        So I going to tell you how my day goes so you can “organized” me the best way
        I go to the gym in the mornin so I used to let jojoba oil with tea tree oil in my scalp and eyebrows but it hasnt really worked that good,I shower before going to the gym.
        So what I should do let coconut oil on the night to lubricate the afected zones then aplly raw hony with 10% non chlorinated water to the zones leave it tree hours and then shower with warm water?the aplly coconut oil? how do aplly the raw without being agrssive to the hairs?

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          Michael

          Hi Rfael,

          Hard to say what would be best in your case.
          Mine was slightly different. Even though it effected my eye brows, I never experience much thinning.

          Overall though, the honey mainly cleared the seborrheic dermatitis from my eyebrows, but because it was quite sticky, it would sometimes pull out some hairs.
          Check out this post, I tried to summarise my whole experience and what I’m currently doing to control things. Additionally Joakims nystatin approach might be of use.

          As far as your current approach, overall I felt that all oils only made it worse for me.
          Essential oils seemed to control the flaking quite well, but the redness and inflammation typically remained.
          Regular oils seemed to do very little at all and maybe even contributed to spreading my problem.

          Hope that helps and best of luck.

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            Rfael

            Thanks for the responce michael,I think the hair loss would stop once the seb derm is controlled but it really havent,and since I have this thining since a year or more the hair has been removed many many times many the folicles are dying off?

            But I dont think that could really damage them since this is not as agressive as women depilation and many depilate their eyebrows for yrs yet they still growing.
            Also,I suffer from depression and social anxiety(this condition only made it really worse) I think that could have triggered the seb derm but anyway the days Im good and leaving a normal life this is persistent.
            I want to exercise also and sweating does not help this condition,I want to build muscle and cannot eat gluten because it could make this worse.

            Im going to trey the raw honey but the coconut oil I dont know…all the oils I use I put them a couple of tea tree oil drops and it helps but as you say the reddness its there.
            Also I live in southamerica(Uruguay) even though its a pretty developed country its dificult to somewhat convert from english to spanish the treatments.
            My family dont really understand me,they tell me to MANUP and face it like a man lmao if only they could know what this bs fells like they.
            Seb derm is not common here also,only euro descent people have it seem,all the natives and africans here have very clear skin(Im of european descent).

            What moisturizer you recomend me for the eyebrows?because oils feed yeast but creams are sticky for eyebrows,the dermatologist recomend me a cream for the face and jhonson oil to the eyebrows.but I tried it once,left my eyebrows very wet at night and in the morning many eyebrows had fall off.

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            Michael

            Hi Rfael,

            When the SD on my scalp was at it’s worst I had a tiny bit of hair loss at most. Personally my hair loss didn’t seem as bad as it seems others experience. Perhaps I was lucky with this. Additionally I did use Head and Shoulders previously and it has been documented to improve hair growth, so maybe that’s why my issues were not too bad.

            The biggest issue I had with hairloss was probably my eyebrows. When I was using the honey treatment for my face I found that the stickiness of it would force eye-brow hair to easily be pulled out (it was likely week due to the SD to begin with). However, even then I was not able to visually see much difference. Whatever hairs did fall out seemed to grow back rather quickly.

            A friend of mine had pre-mature balding and he used Castor oil and regular massaging to get it under control. Not sure how the seborrheic dermatitis would react to the castor oil though. From what I remember, castor oil has a long fatty acid structure which prevents the malassezia yeast from feeding on it (as opposed to most fats). However, you may want to double check this, as this is just from memory. Personally have never tried using castor oil though, so can’t help much in that area.

            It seems that social anxiety may be a common factor. I experience a bit of this as well. But I’m not really sure if this was just a result of having seborrheic dermatitis on my face. Hard to remember which one came first at the time. Throughout my life though I have never really had much social anxiety, so for me the two came as a package.

            Social anxiety as a whole, is just a mental attitude. Like everything else in life, it can change over time. I think the best approach is just practicing being more care-free. Don’t let things cycle in your head and just focus on life as it is without trying to control it.

            It seems that in the modern world social anxiety and depression are rising in general. Perhaps the overload of information is a contributing factor. The media (movies, advertisements, magazines, television) tends to portray things in ways that differ from reality. They selectively chose what they show and we rarely see the more boring aspects of day to day life. Thus it can be easy to believe that it is only our lives which are boring and uneventful, when in reality it is like this for practically everyone.

            As far as gluten goes, I went down this path before as well. Overall going gluten free does seem to give more energy, but I think it’s partially placebo and partially increased digestion speed. Simply by eating less I can experience the same results. However, I’ve went back to training and currently a big part of my diet consists of macaroni, bread and oats.

            One thing to note though, is whatever food I read could be bad for my seborrheic dermatitis, seemed to be bad for my seborrheic dermatitis. Just having the idea in my mind created some type of reaction. When I ate the particular food I read was bad for me, the stress and negative association alone seemed to trigger the inflammation.

            As for the oils and moisturizers, personally I found that heavy oils on my skin would always cause some kind of issues. Even if the flakes would go away, the inflammation and grease would stick around.

            Not sure if they have Cetaphil products where you live, but the Restoraderm products they make have been very good for me. I use very tiny amounts of both the wash and the moisturizer. It helps me clean my skin and has never caused any issues. Here is the regimen I used which finally allowed me to return to normal. I’m going to expand this sometime soon to try and include the mental attitude changes and other factors which I believe played a role as well. Lot’s of stuff can be found in the comments though.

            Raw honey worked really well for me as well, but the treatment was quite time intensive. The general procedure was quite frustrating over time as well. I’m a male and it just did not feel right sitting for 3 hours every other day with my face covered in honey. It just kind of made me feel like something is wrong with me. I think this was my biggest issue with this treatment.

            The MANUP approach is definitely in the right direction as well. It kind of relates to the care-free attitude I mentioned earlier. With many skin conditions, it seems like the more attention you give to it, the worse off things become. I’ve never had problems with acne, but I know friends who have. The story seems to be always the same. The more complex and demanding the approach, the worse the results seem to be.

            Other things that help is just spending less time looking at your skin the mirror. Try to leave it alone and let it heal. When washing or cleaning, try not to lean in and look really close. If you try to find something you probably will. Everyone has small imperfections, it’s just that we pay the most attention to our own.

            Good luck and let me know if I’ve missed anything.

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            Rfael

            Thanks again for responding
            Hey I tried the raw honey treatment two times and its not workin…its take some time to see the effects?all I get after I clean the honey in the shower is very red inflamated areas eyebrows temples forehead and the flaking is still there…maybe I should try it a week more?
            Im also using cream as moisturising cream for the face and jojoba oil with tea tre for the eyebrows..the skin is very inflamated in those areas.
            Whats that white past I have in my temples and eyebrows after I shower?sebum or dead skin?it is also present after I clean the the honey mask in the shower.

            Yeah think less about it would help but its always there….I have ignored it for a few month last year while and it messed up everything,at least now Im losing 6 hair a day max before it was like 10,but the hair is not growing back.
            Castor oil…I dont know,oils do not make hair grow back really its just vitamins that do or eating wel I think,I think hair would not grow until I control the seborrea.
            Also in the rosacea forum there some dude that literaly know everything about seborreic dermatitis and says the only oil it helps its MCT oil wich is from coconut oil but a diferent proces,it seem the only that dont feed yeast.
            However how do you say I should aply it? before shower a few minutes or at night?mix it with a few drops of tea tree oil also?I use abundant jojoba oil with te tree oil in the night to moisturize the eyebrows and then then shower in the morning.put a few drops of oils again in the eyebrows and cream to the face.

            Other thig,how do you do with exercise??you dry up after sweating?because I shower in the morning then go to the gym and lift weights and dont sweat to much then I lunch,Im not doing any cardio do to sweating.yesterday I sweat a lot in a soccer match yet my skin was very fine…its always every otherday then,somedays no matter how dry the weater is or humid hot its there.
            Should I keep seeing the dermatologist or not?because she never mention many thing I read on hear like the fungus,etc.

            You dont have an idea of how thanfull I am to you for aswering man!! really helpfull and you taked you time to help me and it means a lot to me.
            The only place I can get a responce is here,the rosacea forum for some reason dont send me the confirmation mail to my email so I would never have an account there sadly.
            Once again thank you!!

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            Michael

            Hi Rfael,

            Personally it worked right away. Other’s have reported not seeing any results as well. Perhaps it just does not work for some people not sure. Honestly, I don’t think it will start working all the sudden. I think if it works, it works and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. Let me know if the results change thought. Would be interesting.

            As for the cream and jojoba oil, I’ve found that oily substances always make things worse in the end. The seem to moistruize the area nicely and high the flakes, but they seem to contribute to spreading the seborrheic dermatitis.

            Yeah, that white stuff seems to be the bacteria and dead skin. Not 100% sure what it really is thought. But, that seems to be the consensus. The less of that you have the better the condition is.

            I’ve become a little weary for people who claim to know everything about seborrheic dermatitis. I’ve studied the condition for a really long time. Reading both medical papers, forums and everything I can find. To be honest it seems that there is not a single clear explanation of why some people have seborrheic dermatitis, while others don’t. Additionally for treatments, what works for one person might make things worse for another.

            MCT oil is basically coconut oil, but with only certain fatty acids presents. You can now find it in many stores, but it is sometimes not label as MCT oil. It’s just basically the liquid version of coconut oil. Here is an article which explains things further.

            As for sweating. I found that the amount of salt I consume closely correlates with the amount of sweat I produce. The more salty my sweat the more it would actually seemed to have helped my seborrheic dermatitis. See if you notice this same effect. As I found a way to control my seborrhiec dermatitis, I haven’t had any issues with sweat.

            As for the dermatologist. I’ve had both good experience and bad. However, I went to as many of them as possible. This way I got many different opinions and suggestions. The person that actually suggesteded the restoraderm products I’m using was a random Peditrician that saw my face and told me she had the same thing before (met her by accident, while taking my little brother in for an appointment).

            Hopefully my response or this website helps. Look forward to hearing any updates from you. If you like, sign up for an account and hop into the community for the discussion. You can ask some of the others on their opinion as well. Here is the sign up page.

            Take care Rfael and best of luck.

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    Kelly

    Thank you for this info! I am starting this treatment now and am very grateful for an alternative treatment (and possible cure!) compared to the expensive prescriptions that don’t work that well. After the initial 4 weeks, are the weekly treatments 1 hour or 3 hours each?

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      Michael

      Hi Kelly,
      In the study they used 3 hour follow up treatments. I’m a guy and this treatment was quite difficult for me to follow through with. However, it I’ve gone through about 2-3 small jars (500ml) of raw honey (ate some of it as well though) and it was definitely one of my best treatments.

      Overall honey had really great results especially when I started. But as soon as my seborrheic dermaitits cleared I would usually get lazy and become inconsistent with treatment. Over time the honey started becoming less effective. This was likely just due to not following through all the time. Also I didn’t cover all effected skin (such as my scalp) which was probably a mistake.

      Looking forward to hearing how the treatment works out for you. Best of luck and stay in touch.

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    Jamie

    I have been reading about raw honey as the cure to seb derm, and finally I bought myself a bottle of Comvita manuka honey 15+ today!

    Thanks for the exceptional writeup on this treatment plan. It really helps as I note down the details on how much water to add, the use of non-chlorine water, 4 weeks + additional 6 months and no coconut oil. These are the best information online. Thank God for your website as I was almost going to incorporate coconut oil.

    It takes great commitment to follow through till the end. I also need the courage as I am afraid the honey will contribute to acne breakouts, more blackheads and awful flare-ups. When I see the flakes, I get all stressed up. Despite repeated reminders not to scratch off the flakes, I use my nails or tweezers – and it always end badly as the skin becomes raw, bloody red and inflamed. The cycle continues as next day the affected areas will be covered with scaly flakes again. Depending on my level of self-control, I may resist scratching for that day but certainly not for long. It is a disheartening skin problem I have had since 17 years old. I am so thankful that the honey treatment has given me faith and hope that I can do something good for my face and scalp at age 34. I really want it to work. Strangely I am quite anxious at this moment as I am diligently reading and gearing up for my first day of treatment tomorrow.

    I am hoping to add squalene (after washing off honey mask) as my skin is very dehydrated. I lay off completely moisturizer and sunblock for over a year. I am currently using a gentle facial wash twice daily and bioderma sensibio make-up removing water occasionally as I rarely wear make-up these days. My skin has gotten worse. I have stopped elomet or elidel for face, only using Stiefel’s stieprox shampoo for my hair and scalp which work really well to control the dandruffs.

    I love Skinceuticals Vitamin C and Differin in the past. I was wondering if I could add Skinceuticals CE Ferulic along with Squalene during the prophylactic 6-month period? Will it help if I apply the honey mask every day instead of every second day for the 4-week period? Is sunblock essential or should we stay off sunblock during the treatment?

    Appreciate your feedbacks and comments. Please feel free to share. Thanks!

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      Michael

      Hi Jamie,

      Thanks for providing so much details on your experience and current approach.
      Additionally thanks for the positive feedback :).

      I’ve emailed another person who (last time I talked to) was planning to go through the whole honey treatment.
      Will update you on how it’s been working for him as it might help give you an idea of what to expect.

      Personally I never made it through the full treatment. My usage at first was very spontaneous and wearing the honey on my face so often was hard for me as a guy. Additionally I never covered my scalp with it, as I just imagined it was way too messy. However, I think this was my ultimate downfall when attempting the honey treatment. It was definitely hands down my most successful natural treatment. Especially during the beginning it was the best. Not sure why over time it’s effectiveness deteriorated for me. Maybe the specific honey was different, maybe I was not consistent enough, maybe covering the scalp was crucial, or maybe some other reason.

      You mentioned so many things in your post that I’ve actually never heard of. One thing that I can really connect to is the self-control aspect. I think part of the issue is in the mind and how you re-act/perceive the your skin issue. Often if you think about it too much, it starts to act up. This seems to be a closed loop and actually feed the problem.

      Staying determined, learning to control my thoughts and let go definitely seemed to play a big role in my improvements. However, I question everything so I still sometimes wonder if I’ve learned to let go because of my skins improvements or did my skin improve because I learned to let go. Regardless though, if I stress out about it I can actually almost forcefully make the tingling sensation start up again (also I get the sensation after large greasy meals).

      Wish you all the best and stay in touch. Stay positive and I’m sure everything will sort itself out.
      Best of luck on your treatment.

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        Jamie

        Hi Michael,

        Thanks for your great sharing. Just an update on the honey treatment.

        I started slowly with the honey as facial cleanser twice daily before stepping up to the honey mask treatment on Feb 25. Today is my 6th treatment and I am experiencing bad flaking of scalp on my forehead hairline. Somewhere on the 3rd treatment, I had a very big acne on my chin, which had dried up nicely by now.

        I have the same sentiments that it is hard to keep to schedule. Before starting on the treatment, I had to plan for 4 ample weeks where there wouldn’t be any disruption. Leaving it as a face mask is fine, but covering my scalp fully with honey is not easy. I apply the honey mixture on dry face, ears and dry scalp. I am not sure if I should wet and towel dry my hair first before applying the honey. Is that the correctly way or should I stick to my current method of applying it directly on dry scalp? I shampooed only once since last week so I am wondering if the excessive flaking on my hairline is due to my scalp missing the shampoo routine. So far not much flaking on my nose, just the usual redness but I don’t see significant improvement to say that the treatment is working or it is a roaring success. I have a nasty feeling that “it gets worse before it gets better”. Looking forward to seeing positive changes soon and I will certainly report back again!

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          Michael

          Hi Jamie,

          Thanks for the update. Glad to hear about your progress, but too bad your not seeing drastic changes. For me the honey had really quick results. Within the first two treatments my face was mainly cleared. Only as I kept using it my results started to diminish.

          One other reader noted that he had success with the ACV method, but only after an initial phase were the seborrheic dermatitis actually worsened. He didn’t give up and kept going. In the end the ACV really did it for him and he’s been using it ever since.

          If the honey still has no results for you, perhaps you might want to try the cleanser I’ve been using. Another reader also reported great results and he didn’t even need the moisturizer. He said he’s had seborrheic dermatitis for ~20 years and it’s the best he’s seen his skin.

          Thanks for reporting back. These type of updates are likely to help others who stumble upon this page. Hope you finally start seeing results.

          Also out of curiosity, what specific brand of honey are you using?

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            Jamie

            Hi Michael,

            I used haddrell’s of cambridge manuka honey UMF 16+. It made my skin look better, radiant and moisturized. After 4 weeks of manuka honey mask treatment every other day, my SD improved about 5 – 10% on my face. I needed my medicated shampoo to reduce the formation of flakes on my scalp, the honey treatment had zero results on my scalp.

            May I ask what cleanser are you using? I read that you use Probiotic Cleanser and I am eager to try. I plan to use Probiotic Cleanser and carry on with weekly manuka honey mask on my face and neck for 6 months. I will leave my scalp honey free as it is too much work and mess to apply honey on the scalp. I find it easy to apply honey on the face and leave it on for 2 – 3 hours.

            Do you know anything about AOBiome AO+ mist? It is a live probiotic, bacterial mist to spray on the skin in order to restore healthy skin microbiome. It is in development phase by a startup company. Probiotics seems so promising. I hope to start a routine on:
            1) Probiotic Cleanser
            2) AO+ mist
            3) Oral probiotics, LactoGG

            Do let me know the name of the cleanser. With all the great sharing on your website and the internet, I have so much to be grateful for.

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            Michael

            Hi Jamie,
            Yeah I was using the probitioc cleanser for a while way back then. It was really quite good initially. I event went out and stocked up with 3 bottles right away. However, it seemed to stop working quite quickly. In total I only finished about half a bottle of it. This is the one I was using. I’m located in Vancouver Canada, so if your near you can have mine 🙂

            Honey was definitely one of best treatments I tried for this. I believe the only reason it was not effective in the long term because it was so hard to keep a good schedule. Plus it just didn’t feel right sitting in honey for 3 hours every couple days (especially for a guy).

            Haven’t seen that mist, but seems like a good idea.

            Not sure if you’ve seen this post, but it’s my latest comprehensive write-up. I tried to go over as much as possible (from what I’ve attempted) and towards the end I go over what my final treatments were. Hopefully theres some useful information there.

            If you find the time, come check-in as things progress.
            All the best.

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    Peter

    Michael,

    I have done some more researching online and SD is funny condition. I just got it 6 months ago at an age of 31 one and i find it weird that it can just pup up at such a late stage in life. Surely there must be a reason for obtaining this condition. I see from my recent research that many believe that it is a consequence of an internal imbalance in the body itself. The fungus on the skin everyone has, so surely there must be a reason other than bad luck that some of us react too much on that fungus?

    Many believe it has to do with Candida in the gut, too much fungus in the body and the body reacts with SD. Have you ever read/heard about that? People seem to clear up from SD by doing a Candida diet, eliminating sugar, starch, yeast and carbohydrates with fungus feeds from. Kind a make sense to me…..

    So i am planing to take some test to see if my body has Candida or not. Or some other type of fungus infection.

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      Michael

      Hi Peter,

      Thanks for the update.

      For a while I went this route myself. Anti-Candida diets and all the common anti-fungals described online. Fasting for several days or vegetable based diets would clear it up quick for me. However, these diets were not for me and my sports performance went down significantly during this time.

      The anti-fungals didn’t seem to do much and would sometimes make it get worse. The first time I took Caprylic Acid (anti-fungal) it cleared quite well for a while, however, it stopped working over time and seborrheic dermatitis returned.

      Currently my regimen has still been working. Feeling great over all with a well balanced diet and regular exercise. I can still sometimes feel tingling sensations in the areas were the seborrheic dermatitis was the worst. Tiny flakes sometimes show up around the nasal fold as well. However, no redness overall and no aggressive flaking/scaling. Best of all I haven’t been using any strong topical anti-fungals or lengthy methods.

      Have you been having any luck with your current approach?

      All the Best.

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        Peter

        Peter,

        Im still on my 3 month project using an anti fungal cream (Fungoral). Not seen any difference at all so far, starting to get dry skin in other places. My eyebrows are there worst, seems to be getting worse and worse.

        Once I’m done with this i will spend a few months whereby I’m not putting anything on the skin. See if the body can work it out. If that doesn’t work i am planing the candida diet, cutting out sugars etc. Booked an appointment to to some test to see if my body have candida or other fungal infection.

        I am not red at all, no inflammation just flaky/facial dandruff. Starting to wonder if it might not be SD as i ready most of the people complain over redness and inflammation. Yet to receive you mentioned cleanser and lotion, will be interesting to test that.

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          Michael

          Hi Peter,

          Thanks for the update. Still interested in hearing how your current treatment progresses. All my attempts with anti-fungals never played out for much longer than 2-3 months. They seemed to actually start aggravating and drying my skin the more I used them.

          Most of all I’m interested in hearing how the “leave it alone” turns out and how the appointment results come in.

          Regarding the redness, I had none at all sometimes as well. My redness usually came when I was actively trying things on my skin to prevent the flaking. Some things seemed to get rid of the flaking, but cause intense redness and burning instead.

          Stay in touch and best of luck!

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    Crisbee

    Thank you so much for this write up. I have been a sufferer for almost 15 years now and this seems to be the most promising treatment yet. I didn’t even know about the coconut oil being used for GROWING the horrid yeast! It’s awfully embarrassing and even worse with a beard. I’ve gone through every spectrum of emotions with this, and some days are better than others, so I’m always looking out for the best treatment.

    I’d like to offer a tip among the treatments. I’ve used Nizarole shampoo on m face before and while it’s pretty effective it’s kinda harsh. So, I primarily use Jason’s Dandruff Relief shampoo. It has a bit of a sulfur smell but it works really well to peel away the flakes like white tissue paper. It works in a pinch. Also, Burt’s Bees Orange Essence facial cleanser has been pretty great too.

    Nothing has long lasting effects, but I’m determined to complete this honey treatment because of this article. Thanks again!

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      Michael

      Thanks for the tips Crisbee.

      One use of Nizoral was enough for me. The stuff is intense! It felt like something just nuked my skin. It did stop the seborrheic dermatitis for a few days, but it just felt way too strong.

      During my battle with seborrheic dermatitis I tried a bunch of different commercial anti-dandruff stuff. Most of the ones I tried had pyrithione zinc as the active ingredient (Head & Shoulders, Clear, Garnier Fructis, Noble Formula). However, I also tried Neutrogeena (Coal Tar), which was actually one of better ones I used, and purchased Selsun Blue (selenium sulfide), but never got around to using it (read that it could do some long term damage to skin and make it very sensitive to the sun). Overall the anti-dandruff solutions worked, but in end they all felt like they were really stripping my skin (both scalp and facial skin) and hair.

      Jasons Natural also caught my attention, but at that time I already found a good regimen that was working for me. Perhaps if anything changes in the future I might come back to it. Have you attempted using it on the facial skin, or just as a shampoo?

      Regarding the coconut oil I was quite shocked as well. So many people online say it’s such a good anti-yeast anti-fungus agent. Wish I saw the study earlier than I did, as it feels like I just kept feeding it by using oils.

      Please update if you go ahead with the honey treatment. Would be interesting to hear about your results if you stick to the schedule in the study.
      Best of luck with it and stay in touch.

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        Peter

        Hi Michael,

        Saw another skin specialist yesterday and he said something interesting. He was of the opinion the the body it self is the best healing tool, he suggested that i did not use any product what so ever for three months. This gives the skin enough time to re-program it self so to speak. Only product to be used i a very mild cleanser for cleaning purposes once a day.

        Every come across that advice before? Your thoughts on it?

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          Michael

          Hi Peter,
          Have heard the same advice from quite a few people. My current regimen is very basic and I am trying to get to the stage where I only cleanse when dirty (without any moisturiser).
          Also the only supplement I use is L-Glutamine and I’m trying to cut it out as well. Just got in the habit and my skin has been calm since ( keep taking it as I’m afraid it could reverse).
          Let me know if you try this approach as well. For me the transition was the most difficult part.

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            Peter

            You have? Thats reassuring. Ive got the following plan going forward now:

            1: Use of Fungoral consecutive for 3 months starting today. Continue with cleansing my face and use of moisturizer at the same time. (Doctors advise from the other day)

            2: If that was not successful then start using the above mentioned Cetaphil products

            3: If that doesn’t work then i will try going all natural for few months to re-program the skin. Just a mild cleanser and no use of moisturizer. Good timing to do it during the summer months. But i must admit the thought of not putting on any moisturizer is quite scary. Skin must be screaming for it the first weeks and i imagine my skin will not look good!

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            Michael

            Hi Peter,
            Thanks for the update. That sounds like a solid plan!

            Haven’t heard of the Fungoral, but I’m guessing it uses one of the azoles (anitfungal agents that end with azole) to do it’s job. My own experience with them was they peeled my skin. However, from many others I heard the best chance with any antifungal treatment is sticking to protocol with any deviation and ensuring you cover the surrounding skin as well.

            Let me know how it goes for you and stay in touch.

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    Peter

    Hi Michel,

    First of all i need to thank you for a very nice website. Glad to see that there are others out there who wants to get rid go this stupid “disease”.

    Have a couple of questions for you:

    – I use a fungoral cream everyday which looks to keep it at bay and use a hydrocortisone cream when it flare up. I know thats not recommended as it thins out the skin, but there are some creams called Protopic and Elidel that doesn’t do that but have the same effect as the hydrocortisone creams, any experience with these two medications?

    -Whats your experience with SD and sunlight? The doctors i have seen all recommend to spend time in the sun as it will help apparently.

    -What about the wintertime, does it get worse then? Same doctors say it usually get worse in the winter time and better in the summertime. Must be the lack of sunlight and colder,less moist air in the wintertime?

    – Also ready that some have completed eliminated SD by taking three medical peels. That of course “burns” off the top layer of the skin for newer more healthy skin to come up,its really a cosmetic treatment to get better and younger looking skin, but perhaps it can “burn” off all the yeast in the skin that caused SD. Ever heard of that?

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      Michael

      Hi Peter,
      Thanks for the positive feedback and such details in your experience.
      Personally I only used a hydro-cortisone cream for about a week at the very beginning. This was way back during my very first doctor visit regarding the issue.
      As you likely know the hydro-cortisone works amazingly fast. During the week of usage I thought, wow, that was simple. Should have went to the doctor sooner..
      However, as soon as I stopped using the cream my seborrheic dermatitis returned even worse than before. Then I read stuff online + the guy at the pharmacy warned me about long term usage.

      The next few years I spent battling the seborrheic dermatitis with all the methods found online (many of which I discuss on the website).
      Most things would work well for a while, then suddenly become ineffective.

      One thing that worked for quite a while, was Coal Tar shampoo. However, it seemed to peel the skin and didn’t feel very natural.

      Regarding the peels. I have not heard of that specifically, but have seen/heard that blue light therapy could be very effective.
      It is claimed to similarly kill of all the bacteria, while allowing healthy skin to form.

      Previously winter time was much worse for me. My opinion is this is due to central heating in the home.

      Currently the only three things that I am doing to fully control my seborrheic dermatitis are:
      1. Wash and moisturise with Cetaphil Restoraderm (honestly didn’t think it could have such a drastic affect, but it works very well at soothing things)
      2. Supplement with l-glutamine. This seems to make me much less reactive to food.
      3. Stopped consuming/drastically cut dairy products. I still get some dairy in products that contain it as an additive, however, I stopped drinking milk, cheese, and such.

      As a side note. Greasy food is the worst for me. Way worse than alcohol, sugar, or anything else.
      If I eat a greasy pizza I can almost instantly feel my skin tingle. Usually if I do eat something really greasy I compensate by consuming a bunch of water shortly after.

      Even though I might a few flakes that appear every now and then, it is nothing like the flaking red skin I have before.
      Also I have not used a single anti-dandruff product (for hair or facial skin) for over 5 months. This really helped my skin tone balance out again.

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        Peter

        Interesting this Cetaphil. I assume its one for washing and one for moisturizer? Do you use the calming body wash for your face? Then finish it of with the body moisturizer for the face as well?

        I have been using soap and moisturizer from Dr Bailey,seemed to work in the beginning but not as efficient anymore. You familiar with her seborrehic range of products?

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          Michael

          Have not seen or heard of the Dr Bailey products before. However, during my experience with seborrheic dermatitis I tried lots of different products. I’ve got a cupboard full of stuff that I used. There’s probably 10-15 moisturisers and +20 shampoos/cleansers/soaps. Similar to the skin peels you mentioned the most effective ones seemed to be the ones that help peel or dissolve the topmost layer of skin. My biggest problem was using them felt like I was damaging my skin.

          On the contrary, the Cetaphil is very gentle. To this day I am not sure why or how it works is so well for me.
          Typically I use it once a day in the evening, no more, no less. Cleansing either in the shower or just over the sink using slightly cold water (a bit colder than lukewarm). After application I rinse it off right away (without leaving it on to absorb or anything) and let the skin air dry. In about 5 minutes once the skin is almost dry, but still moist, I apply a small amount of the moisturiser and massage evenly. To give perspective on how little moisturiser I use, my first 29ml sample bottle is about 1/3 full (after about 5 months of usage). During this same time I went through two 29ml sample bottles of the cleanser (currently on my third).

          After looking online I see that the products on their site have different names than the ones on my samples. Here is a picture of what my samples look like.
          Reading the ingredients they seem to be identical to the Nourishing Body Wash and Replenishing Moisturizer on Cetaphils website.

          My biggest gripe is that the cleanser contains a preservative by the name of methylisothiazolinone. Personally trying to stay away from any harmful and non-natural products I really wish they did not include it. This is actually one of the reasons I rinse immediately not allowing the product to absorb into the skin.

          Hope that helps.

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            Peter

            Hmm interesting. Will definitely try these two products then. I am situated in Europe but should be able to find these somewhere near.

            i will let you know how it works if thats of interest to you.

            Think i will try to “calm” down a little now. I wash my face twice a day, moisturize twice a day and also use an anti fungus cream every night before bed. Think i will try to just wash and moisturize once a day and stay away from the anti fungus cream. See if the skin is more pleased with less “action”.

            Will also start taking L-Glutamin and D-vitamine supplements. Cant see the harm in that.

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            Michael

            Definitely interested in hearing how it works out for you.

            Also experimented with Vitamin D myself, not sure if I saw any results, but read that it could be good. Currently not supplementing with it. One other supplement I do take time-to-time is plain Vitamin C. Seems to help calm down the tingling sensation if it does kick in.

            Another note is that I am using L-Glutamine in the powder form as it seemed like the purest form of it. The capsules/pills have some other ingredients as well.

            Stay in touch. 🙂

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