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In this post, I will try to cover all the seborrheic dermatitis face treatments that I have ever attempted. My experience with seborrheic dermatitis has lasted for roughly 3-4 years and started on the inside of my nasal folds.

At first it was just a few flakes, but after a few unsuccessful attempts to try to get rid of the few flakes it started to spread to the rest of my face. Additionally the issue plagued my scalp, but this was easily fixed with regular use of Head and Shoulders and I didn’t even know that dandruff equaled seborrheic dermatitis.

However, the scalp and the face are two different things. Facial skin is much more gentle and your face is the first thing people see when you talk to them. This makes treatment both critical yet quite challenging.

The treatments below are in no particular order, except the first three which were the most effective for me.

If you would like to provide more information or expand on any of them, then drop a comment at the bottom and I will get back to you.

Things That Worked

This section includes the things that appeared to have the biggest impact on resolving my seborrheic dermatitis.

Restoraderm Wash and Moisturiser

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This was recommended to me by a doctor who noticed my condition accidentally.

She came up to me and said she had something similar before. She gave me a general breakdown of how she went about it and gave me a bunch of commercial samples to take home, specifically pointing out the Restoraderm.

At first I wasn’t actually too keen on giving any of her stuff I try. By that point, I’ve tried so many cleanser and moisturisers that I thought none of these would change anything.

It was only a short while after I started taking glutamine I decided to give the cleansers a try. At this time, my condition was already general improved, but I still had some dry flakes and desperately needed to find something to wash my face without causing any irritation.

Haven’t looked back ever since. The Restoraderm cleanser and moisturiser have been working for me for roughly 8 months as of this writing. The cleanser is gentle and is good for washing away sweat without really stripping the skin. The moisturiser is very light and a tiny bit goes a long way.

The best part was that this was my cheapest treatment. The kind lady gave me a huge bag of samples. In total there were about 4-5 twin sample packs (cleanser + moisturiser). Currently, I’m on my last one of the cleanser, but still have 3.5 of the moisturiser as I use it very sparingly.

Checking online I noticed the moisturiser is actually quite expensive. So I would recommend try to find sample packs of the stuff before you actually commit to it.

Maybe it’s not even the cleanser and moisturiser that’s working so well for me. Maybe it’s my general attitude. Maybe it has been the glutamine supplementation. Maybe it’s something else. I don’t know.

What I do know is whatever it is it’s working so I’ve been afraid to stop using the Restoraderm. Every now and then I go a few days without it, but typically I wash and moisturiser once a day before bed.

When I’m washing my face I can still see some flakes getting removed, but these are typically really small and from the inside of my nasal folds. Also, my ears can sometimes have some flakes as well, but these I can typically wipe away fairly easy. Everything else has been fully clear (forehead, eyebrows, cheeks).

September 2015 Update

The Restoraderm worked exceptionally well for about a year. My skin was free from seborrheic dermatitis and I was happy. However, there was a comment posted a while back which scared me a bit and then as summer came back around I noticed my skin changing. It was quite sensitive to the sun and I could see redness in areas that my SD used to be after relatively short exposure. In the previous year I had used sun screen to protect my skin and allow to heal, but this left me quite pale and I really wanted to have a normal skin tone. So, I went back to the drawing board and studied the patent behind Restoraderm along with as much research about seborrheic dermatitis as I could get my hands on (+300 research papers). All the knowledge I started to accumulate has been going into a book and has also helped me formulate my own solution, which is discussed next.

Biom 8 – Conditioning Oil

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For the longest time I believed that seborrheic dermatitis was caused by oils and that it didn’t matter which specific oils. However, once I actually started researching the topic I began to understand the importance of oil rich sebum in the protection of specific areas of skin. Specifically, the scalp, the face and behind the ears (the exact locations which seborrheic dermatitis typically occurs).

As a result of this new knowledge along with some insights from various patents of other skin care companies I began trying to formulate my own solution. After testing various combinations, I had stumbled upon one that was extremely basic yet highly effective. Skin tone evened out, no more sensitivity to the sun and it almost feels like my skin became bulletproof (knock on wood). The best part is, that I don’t even wash my face with anything anymore. All I simply do now is rinse with water and apply the stuff.

The solution was initially offered exclusively to the community here are SkinDrone and feedback turned out to be fantastic. Now the solution is available to everyone else reading this and details can be found here.

Glutamine Supplementation

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For me, this seemed to have been one of the best treatment items as well. I’m not sure if it was just a coincidence, but as I started supplementing everything started to improve.

Food choices no longer seemed to have an impact. The itchy and tingling sensations lessened. Overall I felt slightly better as well. Particularly I would feel more rested from shorter amounts of sleep.

First Attempt

Originally I purchased some L-Glutamine in 500mg capsules along with Zinc Cornisone, Biotin and MSM powder based on a recommendation I found online. This combination didn’t really seem very effective. It kind of worked, but my seborrheic dermatitis was still present. Additionally I couldn’t find much research on MSM and the Zinc Cortisone.

However, as time went by and research continued I kept seeing L-Glutamine popping up over and over. Especially in areas of gut tissue repair. So the decision was made and I gave it another go.

Second Attempt

This time I opted for the pure powder form and bought a big tub online (1000g). Received the tub and started taking a bit here and there with water. I wasn’t really sold that it will fix my problem so I wasn’t really sticking to any specific dosage. Instead, I would just take a bit here and there with some water.

Well, this didn’t really work out too well and my seborrheic dermatitis was still kicking around. The tub went on the shelf and my experimentation continued.

Research I kept reading kept showing potentially links between leaky gut and that area. Other things I found were that salt actually plays quite a bit role in digestion and I had been always reducing salt (due to all the bad press it gets).

Final Attempt

Once again I decided it was time to try to fix the gut. I started eating salt freely and enjoying more salty foods that I had before. Instead of being spontaneous with my glutamine supplementation I started to take it on a regular basis. Every single morning after I woke up I would mix a half teaspoon with a glass of water and drink it down. Then I would wait at least 30 minutes before eating breakfast.

I ended up sticking with this for about 5-6 months. Every single day taking glutamine and water in the morning before any food. The improvement was noticeable after a few weeks, but I decided to keep supplementing in fears of symptoms returning.

My first tub actually ran out and I ordered a second one. However, of the second one I only actually went through about 2-3 weeks of it. After taking glutamine for so long, I started to fear that my body might become dependent on it and lower its own internal production. So I decided to take a break. Since then I’ve been doing good without it so haven’t had a reason to start taking it again.

Another strange thing that happened was roughly after about 4-5 months of supplementing with it, my muscles actually started becoming sore for longer periods of time after workouts. This seemed strange as typically glutamine is taken to help speed up recovery. Instead, it felt like my muscles would almost become permanently sore after workouts. For example, my triceps were sore for almost a month straight. This was a little weird and is actually what made pushed me to give up supplementation.

Even now, I’m not really sure if it was the glutamine specifically that had all the positive results. Maybe it’s the Restoraderm that I’m still using, I’m not quite sure. But like I mentioned earlier, big meals seem to have zero effect on my skin. When my seborrheic dermatitis was at it’s worst a huge meal would result in general inflation of the skin and strong tingling sensation of all the areas affected. It’s hard for me to believe that a cleanser alone would be responsible for getting rid of these symptoms/sensations.

September 2015 Update

Since about half a year ago, I completely stopped supplementing with L-Glutamine. Firstly I felt that I didn’t need it anymore as my skin had improved and secondly I believe that long term supplementation can’t never be good. Since this time I did some research and basically found good natural sources of glutamine and simply attempt to incorporate these into my diet. The ones I focus most on include:

  • Eggs (whole eggs for breakfast)
  • Cabbage (raw cabbage juice is particularly good for restoring the intestinal lining)
  • Leafy greens (don’t eat too much of these, but they are a good source)

Home Remedies for Seborrheic Dermatitis

This section covers the various home remedies and natural solutions for seborrheic dermatitis that I had tried over the years.

Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV)

Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar for SD

One of the very first things I attempted to treat my facial seborrheic dermatitis with. It was quite effective at the beginning of treatment.

As time went on the effectiveness started to wear off. Additionally my facial skin started become sensitive to the acidity (skin would turn bright pink for most of the day). My skin’s sensitivity forced me to reduce the concentration and perhaps this is what made it less effective than originally.

In the beginning, I used a ratio of roughly 1:1 water and apple cider vinegar. Towards the end, I was attempting a mix of about 3:1. This treatment is definitely one of the top things I have tried and I’ve had many people message me through the website confirming it’s effectiveness.

Additionally I’ve tried using a variety of different brands as some claim that the “mother” has a strong impact on its effectiveness. However, in my experience I did not find this to be the case. Regular store bought Heinz apple cider vinegar worked just as well as Braggs or other unfiltered varieties. To their credit, these unfiltered varieties tasted much better for general consumption.

Also, I attempted to consume the ACV on a regular basis to treat the seborrheic dermatitis on my face. Daily consumption of apple cider vinegar with water had no effect on my facial seborrheic dermatitis.

Baking Soda

Baking Soda for Seborrheic Dermatitis

My attempts with baking soda were very inconsistent. The reason for my trial with it is that I’ve read many forum posts claiming it has been effective for treating facial seborrheic dermatitis.

The method I tried was simply mixing a tablespoon in a cup of water and washing the face with the solution. Towards the end of the wash, I would leave the solution on my face and hop in the shower. Then simply washing it off at the end of the shower.

The biggest benefit of the baking soda treatment was that it was very effective for removing the dry skin layers. Additionally it did not cause any redness/pinkness as did the apple cider vinegar treatment. It actually had quite the opposite effective on the skin. Parts of the face, where the seborrheic dermatitis was most present, gained a dull appearance and redness significantly decreased.

Major problems of this treatment started to arise a few hours after each treatment. The skin would typically become overly dry and this would actually start to cause excessive flaking in portions of the face where seborrheic dermatitis was worst.

The outcome of my attempts at this treatment, therefore, were inconsistent. Sometimes the dryness never even presented itself and when this happened the treatment was extremely effective. However, if the dryness did hit, it was quite strong and the skin would flake even worse than usual.

Additionally I’ve made several attempts to regular consume baking soda for several weeks before bed. This was picked from several forum topics I’ve read. Others claim that the baking soda works by solving interval fungal issues which then manifest themselves in the form of seborrheic dermatitis on the face. For me, the regular consumption of baking soda had no apparent effect on the seborrheic dermatitis on my face.

Dead Sea Salt

Dead Sea Salt for Treatment of Seborrheic Dermatitis

I’m not going to go into too much detail on this treatment as I’ve written a post that documents my experience in great detail. To summarize things sea salt did seem to have a significant impact on the seborrheic dermatitis on my face.

Soaking the face in a bowl of dead sea salt water would remove flakes/scales and help clear the face. However, issues with drying and intermittent hypersensitivity made the facial soaks a poor treatment choice. From all the sea salt I tried, it did not seem to matter if it was dead sea salt or regular sea salt (actually regular Trader Joes sea salt seemed to work better)

The biggest benefit for me was gained I believe from becoming more slack in the salt in my diet. Previously I had been restricting dietary sodium as most health publications repeat over and over the negative effects of salt in the diet. All the food I ate, I ate unsalted.

After some reading about sodiums impact on digestion and the connection between seborrheic dermatitis and the gut, I decided to try to bring salt back into my diet. This seemed to have a positive effect on the parts of my face most affected by seborrheic dermatitis. However, it is hard to say the exact role it played as shortly after I added several other treatments to my regimen that further enhanced my results.

Green Tea

Green Tea for Seborrheic Dermatitis

This is quite a simple and straightforward treatment I picked up from a forum. Basically, all I did was steep some green tea and use the bag to dab my face. This seemed to help soothe the skin and had an overall anti-inflammatory effect.

My biggest disappointment with this method was that it did not do anything to help stop the flaking. So perhaps this treatment might be a good choice paired together with something like ACV or something else that effectively removes and prevents the flakes.

Raw Honey

Raw Honey for Treatment of Seborrheic Dermatitis

One of my most successfully treatment approaches was raw honey. This method was one of the most time-consuming and annoying. Especially since I’m a guy and walking around for 3-4 hours with honey on my face is not very relaxing.

You can see more details on my experience with raw honey in this post. In summary, the raw honey worked amazingly well. It was effective in both removing the flakes, healing the skin, reducing inflation while additionally moisturizing the skin. Due to these amazing benefits of this seborrheic dermatitis face treatment, I’ve gone through about 2-3 jars of 500ml raw honey (did eat some of it as well).

This biggest issue with this seborrheic dermatitis facial treatment is that it is extremely time-consuming. Also as I used the treatment more and more the results seemed to diminish. At times, it seems to even begin to irritate the skin on the face most affected by seborrheic dermatitis.

Propolis

Propolis for Treatment of Seborrheic Dermatitis

This treatment was very ineffective for me, but I did give it a few tries. Basically what I did was mix a bit of propolis with the raw honey treatment hoping to improve its effectiveness. However, this usually resulted in added difficulty trying to wash off the honey as well as it seemed to increase irritation.

Vitamin C Supplements and Serum

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This one forum post, in particular, got me excited about the possibility of getting rid of my seborrheic dermatitis for good. It seemed too simple and straight forward I had to give it a try.

After multiple treatment attempts with several weeks of 5-10 gram daily doses of vitamin c in the form of ascorbic acid I saw very little improvement. The ascorbic acid did seem to have an anti-inflammatory effect on the skin and did reduce redness. However, it didn’t seem to have any effect on reduces the flakes on parts of my face affected by seborrheic dermatitis.

One thing that did seem to work really well was eating lots of grapefruit. Typically if I ate a bunch of grapefruit I would begin to notice my skin improve. My thoughts are that grapefruit has a cleansing effect on the guy and helps the body clear toxins. I’ve even read that if you eat a bunch of grapefruit with some medication that it would cause the medication to become ineffective.

Another thing I tried with all the ascorbic acid I bought was making my own vitamin c serum. However, this serum was very ineffective and produced no apparent results on the seborrheic dermatitis on my face. If the serum was too strong it would cause similar irritation to that of the apple cider vinegar due to its acidity. Perhaps a chelated form of vitamin c might be more effective specifically for seborrheic dermatitis (did not try this with chelated forms).

Commercial Products for Treatment of Seborrheic Dermatitis

This section covers the majority of commercially available products I had attempted in order to treat my seborrheic dermatitis. A portion of them are targeted at scalp treatment, but this didn’t stop me from trying them on my facial skin.

Head and Shoulders – Pyrithione Zinc

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This treatment was very effective for seborrheic dermatitis on both my face and my scalp. It would remove the scales, reduce inflammation and was not overly drying on my skin. However, it did seem to have a negative overall effect on my skin (especially the face). Skin tone become dull and the skin become overly sensitive to the sun. Also, the skin seemed to gain a splotchy appearance.

Overall it felt like each time I used this treatment I was just blasting my face with a powerful bomb. It seemed to basically destroy all the living organisms and bacteria both good and bad. The effect of this was that when I did not use the treatment on a regular basis the seborrheic dermatitis would return very quickly.

One a side note, I have a strange feeling that head and shoulders might have been a part of the problem to begin with. Previously it was my go to shampoo even before seborrheic dermatitis affected my face. When I was in high school I sometimes had a bit of dandruff. So based on advertisements I started regularly using head and shoulders. To this day, I remember someone from way back told me not to use it as your skin can become dependent on it. Basically, this person told me that if I used it I’m basically locking in my dandruff problem for good. However, I didn’t take these words too seriously and continued using it for several years. Then once I started getting seborrheic dermatitis on my face I thought back to these words and thought there might be a connection. But even with these feelings I still attempted use H&S and other pyrthione zinc containing products to treat the seborrheic dermatitis on my face and scalp.

Cerave – Cleanser & Moisturizer

Around the time that I first got symptoms of my seborrheic dermatitis, I had a person who prescribed me the treatment tell me I should try Cerave. At the time, I didn’t think much of it, but as my seborrheic dermatitis progressed I remember his recommendation.

Didn’t get any samples of it as I didn’t know that samples were so widely available at the time. Went into Wal-Mart and bought a full bottle of both the cleanser and moisturizer.

It was gentle and seemed to calm things down. Used it for about a week and my skin seemed to be doing okay. The results were not drastic, but it seemed to be helping the flakes and generally calming things down.

Over time, my skin started to hate the moisturizer. It would actually get more oily and greasy than usually. Additionally the flakes were still there. It would soften them up and make them more visible, but they were still there.

Both bottles are still pretty much full and sitting around. Overall I would say the Cerave was no very effective for the seborrheic dermatitis. However, I did see a review on Amazon claiming it worked well for them (which drove a big part of my purchase decision as well).

SebaMed – Cleansers & Moisturizers

When trying the Cerave I also saw great reviews for this product. Additionally I remembered it from a sample I received a long time ago (also when my seborrheic dermatitis was only starting).

When I had the sample my skin wasn’t all that bad yet. But using the cleanser seemed to make my skin was completely clear (this was before it spread past my nose).

The only reason I stopped back then was it was I didn’t think I need it any-more nor I knew the full extent of my problem. Additionally I thought it was just a coincidence that my skin was clear.

So after Ceraves failure I naturally thought back to this product. Went to the pharmacy and bought myself a moisturizing cleanser bar. Worked great for about two weeks and my skin was clear. However, results seemed to deteriorate rather quickly. Maybe this was a different SebaMed than I used before?

Went back to the pharmacy and got one of the most expensive ones they had. It was about ~$20 and the description sounded too good. However, as I tried using it my results were even worse. This one actually inflamed my seborrheic dermatitis and made it act up.

After that experience, I still tried to use the cleanser bar a few times in hopes it would start working. Never obtained any sustainable results, so eventually stopped using it. Still have about half the bar left and sometimes use it as hand soap (seems to last forever).

Aveeno – Oatmeal Cleansing Bar

This one didn’t work for me at all. Bought it roughly around the same time frame as the SebaMed. It actually inflamed my seborrheic dermatitis and made it much, much worse. Also in the shower this bar seems to melt away extremely fast. However, in a soap dish I’ve been using it to wash my hands for quite some time. It’s probably been kicking around for more than a year now.

Aveeno – Moisturizer

The Aveeno moisturizer was actually recommended in the Dead Sea Salt post on cure zone. It was the one the original poster used with great results. So naturally when I bought my big bad of dead sea salt I got a tube of this as well.

My results were not as great as the gentleman on CureZone. It would make my skin a little too oily and seemed like it didn’t let it breath. It did help soothe and moisturize the skin after the dead sea salt, but it would actually make the seborrheic dermatitis return quicker than without it.

So I gave up on it rather quickly and just resumed the sea salt treatments without it. Instead of this one I tried the Gold Bond described next (picked this up based on a YouTube video I saw).

SudoCream – Rash Cream

Was advised by someone I knew to give this a try. It’s used for diaper rashes and is known to be excellent for healing skin. It actually does work extremely well for the both the flakes and the redness. The biggest problem is it is really hard to gently rinse off.

To get this stuff off, you really need a good face wash. And that’s where the problem lies. As soon as start applying some power the wash the stuff off, it aggregates the skin. This aggression typically brought back my issues rather quickly.

I still make use of this stuff here and there. It’s really good for single small areas that can be easily wiped. As soon as you start smearing it all over, it gets’s a little tricky.

SkinMD – Shielding Lotion

This was purchased due to their effective Amazon sales page. Everyone’s skin needs a shielding lotion.. right? My logic at the time was I put this stuff on and shield all my seborrheic dermatitis away.

Bought a bottle of it down in the States during one my regular trips. Used it a few times and that was it. All it really did was aggregate my seborrheic dermatitis that’s about it.

Additionally I tried to give it a go as a hand moisturizer just so it wouldn’t go to waste, but it’s not very effective for that either. So it’s been sitting around ever since.

Grandpa’s – Pine Tar Soap

This soap just smells awesome (at least for me). It’s got the scent of a burning pine tree and the looks to match. Also, you can really feel the glycerin in this soap, it’s super moisturizing.

The only reason I found it was that I was in search for a natural alternative to Neutrogena Coal Tar shampoo which was recommended. Online reviews made it seem like the perfect alternative.

For my face, the results were actually pretty good. It seemed to destroy the seborrheic dermatitis. As soon as you washed with it, the flakes would smudge/roll of the skin. I could actually see layers of skin being melted away.

Also, the moisturizing effect was strong enough that I had no need to moisturizer with anything after using it. My biggest issue was that the peeling skin would still persist and the skin would actually become quite sensitive to the elements.

The redness wouldn’t really go away either. The skin was mostly flake free, but it still looked a little splotchy and not overly healthy. So I resumed my research for something else.

Gold Bond – Moisturizer

The one I bought was the exact one used in that YouTube video linked above. It was the Healing Aloe or something like that.

This stuff worked much better than the Aveeno. Even though it had a thicker feel to it, my skin would absorb it quite nicely and it wouldn’t cause too much excessive oil.

It was actually one of my most used moisturizers and it did work quite well. The trick was to put it on a few minutes after the dead sea salt when the skin was still moist. This would lock in the moisture and allow me to use much less of the moisturizer.

As I kept using it my face started reacting slightly different to it. The splotchyness returned and it was like my skin didn’t want it any-more. It became too thick and heavy feeling. So like all their others it went into my cupboard.

This stuff is quite good as a hand moisturizer though. Especially if your hands a really dry. It’s quite thick and leaves a nice coating. It doesn’t seem to do much of that “healing” it promises, but the coat of oil helps the hands feel good and allows for recovery.

Glycerin Bar Soap

Can’t really pick out any of the glycerine soaps that stood out. They were more or less all the same. Their great soaps and I learned what a quality natural soap feels like from trying them.

These are actually the types of soap I now use for general hand washing and showering purposes. For the face, however, they were a bit too strong.

When using them, they would dry the skin and strip the oils quite thoroughly. These seemed to quickly activate both flakiness and oil production.

So for me the glycerine soap turned out to be perfect for general use, but not for the seborrheic dermatitis.

T-Gel – Coal Tar

By now I’ve stopped using the pine tar and was finally desperate enough to give coal tar a try. The ingredients didn’t seem all that bad and what if it could make things go away..

Bought a bottle from the local supermarket and gave it a go. Turns out, this stuff works exceptionally well. Flaking stops and redness quickly subside. It is quite gentle and was much better for my facial skin than head and shoulders.

The smell of the coal tar was covered with some really potent fragrance, but the fragrance didn’t seem to have any negative effects.

Went through a whole small bottle of this stuff and bought a second one. However, even though my skin was not visually affected by the flakes I could still feel something wrong. The tingling and itching sensation was still there.

The skin also got inflamed rather easy and it seemed like it was generally much more sensitive. Going out in the sun was typically a bad idea as the skin becomes quite sensitive to it. 20-30 minutes in direct sunlight and my seborrheic spots would quickly begin to produce loads of oil and start getting quite red.

If I stay in the shade, kept away from harsh environmental factors (dirt, too much sweat, etc.) than the skin would be well off. However, my lifestyle didn’t really permit for so much carefulness. So I decided it the coal tar was not the best long term solution for me and the search continued.

Grape Fruit Seed Extract (GSE)

This one was another one of the most effective treatments I have ever tried. The very first time I tried it, I was blown away. It magically reversed the seborrheic dermatitis completely. My skin was normal and flake-free in just two days of using the stuff.

At that moment, I was extremely thrilled. This must have been it, the magic bullet that would make it go away forever. As time went by, just like the others, it’s effectiveness started to fade away.

In total, this stuff worked really well for 3-4 months. Towards the end of the 3rd month, it’s magically powers started to become less magical. It would work, but I had to start using it more often to keep the seborrheic dermatitis away. Sometimes I would even wash my face 3 times a day with the stuff.

It wasn’t long until my face began to become splotchy and flaky no matter how much I would use the stuff. That was that and I started researching again.

Additionally I tried drinking the stuff to get rid of “internal issues” that might be causing the seborrheic dermatitis. But this was never effective.

One a side note about a year later I decided to give the GSE another go as I still had some left. To my surprise, it worked its magic once again. In just a few washes, my skin was absolutely clear. This didn’t last for long this time around. About a week or two and the fantastic results went away once again.

My theory is that whatever is causing the seborrheic dermatitis (likely the malassezia) learns to adapt to the GSE. Also if you check read about GSE online you will find that it’s probably not the Grapefruit Seeds that make it effective. Actually it’s likely the chemical cleaning agent that is used in the process of it’s manufacturing (same agent that is used in many commercial hand sanitizers). There are studies that show if GSE is manufactured without this cleaning agent than it has lost all of it’s anti-fungal powers

Dietary Modifications

I’m going to try to make this section small. If you would like further information just ask me in the comments below.

For dietary modifications I think I’ve tried absolutely everything you can find online. Saw tons of naturopaths and took a huge amount of advice.

Here’s a basic list of all the things I tried:

  • Avoiding red meat
  • Water fasting
  • Juicing
  • Avoiding night shades
  • Avoiding eggs
  • Avoiding all caffeine (including teas)
  • Lower protein intake
  • Staying away from saturated fats
  • Avoiding vegetables oils
  • Eating tons of coconut oil
  • Gluten free diet
  • Cutting oats
  • Eating only rice
  • Avoiding carrots
  • Getting rid of nuts
  • Avoiding honey
  • Staying away from fried food
  • Avoiding fruits
  • And many other modifications
The above list should give you a general idea of everything I attempted, there’s probably some stuff missing, but I hard to remember everything off the top of my head. If your thinking of tried something drop it in the comments and I’ll let you know if I’ve ever given it a try.

Overall out of all the modifications I made, I noticed some strong correlation between calorie restriction and general improvements. For example water fasting would make the skin clear right up without any topical treatments at all. It would just normalize all on its own.

Also, I learned that high fat and high carb meals would typically cause things to get worse. My theory was that the fat would slow down digestion while the carbs would sit for longer in the stomach fermenting and causing issues.

These finding lead to research leaky gut and the potential of gut lining issues. Which I believe finally lead mine in the right direction. My final and most successful regimen was taking a bunch of L-Glutamine in hopes of patching up my gut.

This seemed to have done something as I have become much less sensitive to large meals and poor food choices. The full outline of my regimen is here. Since then I’ve actually stopped taking the L-Glutamine, as I felt I didn’t need it any-more and didn’t want my body becoming dependent on it.

Supplementation

In addition to dietary modifications, I attempted various supplements in order to try an minimize any potential deficiencies.

Vitamin Supplementation

This is actually another huge area of experimentation I had. Much of the information online suggests that the body might be missing some vitamin and, as a result, the seborrheic dermatitis occurs.

With all of my experimentation, I didn’t really find a specific vitamin supplement that provide long-lasting relief. Overall Vitamin C actually stood out the most. It seemed to help stop inflammation after large meals.

Here’s a general list of all the vitamins I tried:

  • Vitamin C (ascorbate, ascorbic acid, and a few natural sources such as camu camu)
  • Vitamin D (liquid and capsule)
  • Vitamin E
  • Vitamin B complex (regular one from the store and a “natural” one from Vitamin Code or whatever the company is)
  • Biotin (gave me rashes all over my body)
  • B6 (no effect)
The big top 3 (C,D,E) I tried a few different brand and forms. Didn’t see any difference and have most of them laying around somewhere. The Vitamin C is the only thing I’ve actually continued taking on a regular basis. It’s actually quite good as a breath mint.

The Biotin was definitely one of the worst things I tried. I started becoming itchy all over and my rashes started forming all over my body. At first I didn’t even make the connection, I thought it might have been some soap, insects, or something else. As soon as I stopped taking the biotin everything returned to normal.

Fish Oil Supplementation

Sounded like a great idea and the concept makes sense. Get more Omega 3 in the system drive down inflammation and force seborrheic dermatitis to go away. Only if it was that easy..

First I bought general fish oil and took that for a few weeks. Didn’t see much improvement and the after burps felt like rancid fish oil. So I thought maybe it went bad.

Went back to the store bought some Wild Salmon Oil capsules and thought those might be different. Took them for a few more weeks and didn’t see much difference, except those fish burps once again.

For my third attempt, I bought the more expensive liquid form online. It actually tasted pretty god and had some citrus added to hide the overwhelming fish taste. However, to my disappointment again I saw no direct improvement in my seborrheic dermatitis.

Overall I would say that fish oil wasn’t very effective at doing anything for my seborrheic dermatitis.

Mineral Supplementation

Minerals such as zinc, calcium and several others have been proposed by various online sources to be helpful in the treatment of seborrheic dermatitis. However, none of the mineral supplements I had attempted did anything for my skin. Granted, I likely didn’t stick to any of the them for long enough to balance any deficiencies as I was concerned with getting too much instead. In my mind supplementation overall is not a good solution unless you are certain of certain deficiencies as you can do more harm then good.

Miscellaneous Treatments

This section includes various other things I had attempted.

Fluoride Free Toothpaste

Read on a forum someone who said their seborrheic dermatitis went away completely just by getting away from fluoride toothpaste. Well, that didn’t seem to hard, so I gave it a shot.

Bought two tubs of Jameson’s and one tube of Tom’s of Maine to give it a try.

Overall changing toothpaste had no effect on me. I’ve slowly been going through my tubes, but they are overwhelmingly minty. Personally prefer more gentle toothpaste so at least it wasn’t a total waste of money.

Oil Pulling

This is a supposedly ancient Indian practice which can remove toxins from the body and improve all aspects of health. Came across it on some forum which a member indicated that it helped with their seborrheic dermatitis. After about 3-4 weeks of daily oil pulling with coconut oil I didn’t observe any effects on my seborrheic dermatitis. This made my give up and look for something else.

Conclusion of Seborrheic Dermatitis Face Treatments

This has been quite a large post and I covered most of the things I tried along the way. Looking back there are still a few supplements I missed (mainly minerals, internal antifungals and other random things, but I’m tired of writing.

Perhaps in the next few days I might make an adjustment and add a bullet point list of whatever else I tried. If you would then like me to expand on any of the items, just drop a request in the comments.

So for the conclusion. Overall I feel like there are too many face treatments for seborrheic dermatitis available online. This resulted in lots of unnecessary stress and a huge amount of wasted time on research.

Dermatologists seemed to be of very little use and the ones I saw told me I’m stuck with this for life. Which is actually quite aggravating. Their sole job responsibility is to solve skin conditions, then why are they so useless?

Anti-fungals and commercial products did seem to help control the symptoms. However, they also seemed to force you to continue using them. While also having a general negative impact on the overall condition of the skin. Natural treatments and all sorts of supplementation were also mostly hit or miss.

Topical treatments that were effective at first seemed to wear off and stop working. Especially some of the best results could be obtained almost instantaneously, but would go away with time. No matter how hard to you wanted the results to stick around.

Everyone’s skin is different and that is apparent when you look at all the stuff online. However, many people can agree that there is some relation between seborrheic dermatitis and the gut.

Hopefully some of the treatment information I outlined here is of benefit to other who like myself have to face the ugly effect of seborrheic dermatitis. If you would life more information or have the time to share your own experiences feel free to use the comments below. Best of luck to everyone fighting this thing and hope the information I covered on these seborrheic dermatitis face treatments can be of use to you.

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138 Responses to “Overview of Seborrheic Dermatitis Face Treatments”

  1. sheri Profile Photo
    sheri

    Tea Tree Oil cured mine!!!! I dilute mine with a little water & store it in the fridge

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  2. Majo Profile Photo
    Majo

    Hello Michael, I have questions regarding dietary modifications.

    Did you try vegan diet? If yes, how long and what was impact on SD?

    Did you try vegetarian diet? If yes, how long and what was impact on SD?

    Did you try GAPS diet? If yes, how long and what was impact on SD?

    Do you have some restrictions in your food due to SD? If yes, which ones?

    Is it necessary to have restrictions in food or it is enough to use your BIOM8 to eliminate SD from face, chest and scalp?

    Thank for your answer

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  3. Hakan Profile Photo
    Hakan

    Just found a new product for SD in Sweden. It’s the best I found in over 10 years.

    It’s a liquid spray called myracid. It contains water, formic acid and glycerin. http://www.myracid.com.

    Formic acid is the same acid that ants spray when they are under attack.

    This spray leaves my facial skin and scalp moist and clear.

    The smell leaves after just a few minutes. Keep away from eyes and mouth.

    Hakan

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  4. Stefaaaan Profile Photo
    Stefaaaan

    Hi and thank you for your site.

    My story is kinda similar but also different in a way.

    3 years ago, during winter I got a a lot of acne on my forehead and panicked since this has never happened before. I changed shampoos and tried a bunch of cleaning creams and somehow fixed it (forgot how tbh).

    Last winter I changed jobs and during the winter I got a pretty bad rash on my forehead and a really itchy scalp. I went to many doctors and they all told me that it’s just acne…..resulting in using many acne creams, of course making the condition worse. Out of everything, I think that zineryt was the only acne medication that worked.
    I went to different doctors telling me the same until I went to a microbiology doctor who told me that I have SD and I should stop using acne creams and just clean my face with baby soap. I decided to try that and it worked perfectly for the first few months.
    The problem is that winter is coming and with winter I feel my scalp itching more and more. This is why I want to ask:
    1. Is there anytthing different you guys do in the winter?
    2. How often do you wash your hair? I have heard that it’s good not to shower that often but what does that actually mean? I wash my hair every second day and can’t imagine washing it not that often?
    3. Is there a connection between long/short hair and SD?
    4. What is the shampoo you are using for daily use? I’ve been using Ducray with Nizoral once a week or Ducray DS once a week. Actually what is your showering routine? I can’t find it here for some reason.

    Currently, i’m waiting for the winter to see if I would be able to maintain my so far decent results. If I do, then i’d be really happy. I’m only using a simple garnier washing gel for my face and Bioderma’s DS from time to time on my forehead.

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  5. Tom Profile Photo
    Tom

    Hi,

    I’ve suffered from SD for many years and it seems to come and go in waves. It seems to come back worse and worse and i’ve been using ketaconozole. I almost feel my body has become somewhat immune and it doesn’t have the same effect. I have ordered some Biom8 but I live in the UK so it will take a while.

    Do you have any suggestions for some short term relief while I wait for biom8?

    Many thanks

    Tom

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  6. Leo Profile Photo
    Leo

    Hi Michael
    I just wondered what your thoughts were on the Candida Diet? I noticed you’ve tried cutting things out without much success.
    I’ve been using a steroid shampoo which cleared the SB in my scalp about 80% but I’ve decided to stop using it as its been too long and of course my symptoms have come back straight away, all over my scalp eye lid and on my face either side of my nose.
    I am using ACV to not much avail, just started with Nizoral. My issue is what to moisturise it with after I’ve showered as it dries up straight away but I’m worried that oils or creams will encourage the fungs to grow (I like using coconut oil but have stopped since reading your post).
    I am debating going on a strict anti-candida diet to try to kill the source and I feel like I’ve tried many topical creams and potions and although they clear the symptoms they are temporary and aren’t getting to the root of the problem.
    Any advice is greatly appreciated as I am desperate.
    Cheers

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Hakan,

      Thanks for the link. Not sure where or when, but I’ve mentioned and tried barberries before. They contain a good level of berberine and various acids beneficial for digestion. Berberine appears to have beneficial effects on cardiovascular health (blood sugar regulation) and impacts lipid levels in the body. Here is the wikipedia article.

      Previously attempted to forcefully integrate these into my diet, however for some reason discontinued. Sometimes add them to rice though. 🙂

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  7. Håkan Profile Photo
    Håkan

    I’m on the John Vale Skinclear program since 6 days ago.

    My face had already improved alot before starting it due to going back to completely avoiding sugar, wheat, alcohol coffe and junkfood in general. I no longer avoid being social, like I did past autumn.

    I noticed today that my eye lids has healed.

    I followed the first three days on the program completely as far as foods go. This means raw vegetable and fruit juices made at home and fruits and Brazil nuts as snacks.

    I’m not following the rest of the 30 day program completely but I avoid night shades like white potatoes and red meat which is not allowed. And unhealthy shit of course.

    This means I eat fish and chicken sallads and soups and berry and fruit smoothies and fruits. Some dried fruits and Brazil nuts are allowed too.

    A bit cheese and bread is allowed to but in meals together with healthy stuff.

    I continue to wash my face with water only and it’s just as clean as when I used organic plant soap.

    I still use organic schampo on my scalp which works great since years ago, thanks to cutting my hair really short, and pushing away the dandruff with my fingers. Warm water works best here of course.

    The face has a different type of skin compared to the scalp, as we can learn in Michaels Seb derm ebook.

    I only use oil free water based topical probiotics on the face after it has dried from showering.

    I’m worried for those who have found improvements by using msm for example, but still eat sugar. Since sugar will damage the health in so many ways. Just look at the amazing high quality research studies carried out by Harvard medical school foor proof.

    Best wishes

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Hakan,

      Thanks for the update! Happy to hear how things are turning out!
      Completely agree with you that sugar is not our friend, but I have to admit I have been indulging in lot’s of sweets and chocolate lately. However, overall my diet is fairly stable. However, it’s not even as close to as good as it was when I was actively trying to fight SD. Now, it’s much more slack.

      A huge thing I believe is important is mental health and hormones. A strong diet can help stabilize this, but I think the brain plays a big role here as well (irrelevant of diet).

      Happy to hear that your topical regimen is so minimal and doesn’t contain any strong anti-dandruffs. Likely, the skins natural defence barrier and sebum production is stabilizing. 🙂

      Thanks again for the detailed update. Hope this program can lock in results for you.
      Look forward to hearing again from you.

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  8. Sanya Profile Photo
    Sanya

    Hi Michael,

    Sorry for the new post, but I really need your view regarding this:
    I also wanted to ask you about your opinion on the ingredients of the Restoraderm moisturizer and your Biom8 and that’s why I asked if your facial skin was oily. Since I have oily face and SD, I am very sceptical at trying out moisturizers with oils in it. As I have menitioned in my post below, before Kelual DS, I used Dr. Hauschka Ice plant cream. Its ingredients are the following: Water (Aqua), Mesembryanthemum Crystallinum Extract, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Glycerin, Mangifera Indica (Mango) Seed Butter, Alcohol, Tricaprylin, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil, Lanolin, Cetearyl Alcohol, Bentonite, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Daucus Carota Sativa (Carrot) Root Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Amyris Balsamifera Bark Oil, Lysolecithin, Glyceryl Oleate, Xanthan Gum.
    It did not have any effect on the flaking. I still got white flakes on my face. I still do, even now, when I am using Kelual DS cream and Eucerin Dermopurifying facial wash cleanser. I mentioned that I have tried Bioderma Sensiobio DS + gel for washing my face. But it seems that my face got oilier and little whiteheads appeared. So I returned to using Eucering cleanser. So I am trying to find a solution that will clear the white flakes, but not increase the level of sebum.

    I started the dairy free regime. And I will see what will happen. Also I wanted to ask you what medical examinations did you do for the SD? Maybe my problem is internal in my body functioning, but I really do not know what to test. Can you please share your thoughts on this, I would be very grateful.:)

    I know that I have many questions, but I really want to find a solution. 🙂

    Regards,
    Sanya

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Sanya,

      There are various things that you may be doing (diet, hormones, etc). That may simply be increasing your skins sebum production.
      Personally, I don’t believe that any cleansers or topical solutions can fully solve oily skin. This is more of a sebaceous gland issue and has to do with your skin functioning.

      Our skin needs oils to protect itself and for normal barrier function. Perhaps disruption of the natural balance of these oils can accelerate oil/sebum production..

      Hope to cover this topic (and hair loss) more in the second edition of the eBook.

      PS. Sorry for the huge delay in responding to your comments.

      All the best.
      Look forward to any updates.

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  9. Sanya Profile Photo
    Sanya

    Hi Michael!

    I wanted to ask you, was your facial skin oily when you had SD?And now, do you use any kind of facial wash cleanser or do you wash your face with water only? My facial skin is oily and I have tried washing my face with water only, but with no results, the dry scales were piling up and the skin was reddish, but I used different facial cream then, Dr. Hauchska ice plant. Maybe the cream was not the one. So, I am basically trying to find a face wash cleanser that is gentle so it won’t dry my skin and at the same time clean the excess sebum. Can you please suggest something? Also I look forward to suggestions from other facial SD sufferers who have oily skin on the face.

    Regards,
    Sanya

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Sanya,

      When SD was at it’s peak I would say that my face was only mildly oily.
      However, I do remember that a few years before I got SD my skin started to become very oily.
      To try to combat this I started washing fairly frequently with soap or various cleansers. Somewhere along the line I believe I may have distributed my skins own natural defense barrier and this may have started this whole thing in the first place. Hard to really say though.

      Currently, I haven’t used anything except water and Biom8 Skin Conditioning Oil on my face since the end of August 2015.
      Wouldn’t even call it “washing” it’s more of a mild rinse with cold water and then application of the oil. Somehow the skin simply absorbs it all and remains fairly matte in appearance.

      Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.
      All the best!

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      • Peter Profile Photo
        Peter

        Hi Michel, Hi everybody!

        As i told you before my dry sd went to a crazy oilness aruond my nose and on my forehead. If i wash it with anything(i really tried everything) because of the dead skin build up, for the next morning my face will be a lot oilier. Tanning bed helps a bit, but no real solution.
        What is very intresting, in january i was in Eilat, in the desert for vacation.
        The humidity is very low, and in january temperture is quite warm 25-27 Celsius.
        After a week my face dryed out, after two weeks i had no real sign of sd! And i didnt touch my face, éven no washing.
        After too weeks i returned home to europe, and the oilness came back.
        Now im thinking to by a machine what is lowering the humidity, because i think its a big factor.
        But im not sure it will be enough.
        If it s not enough i have to move to a country where the humidity is lower. P.

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  10. Håkan Profile Photo
    Håkan

    I promised myself to stop putting oils to my face, but just had to try borage oil on my eye lids and in between my eyes yesterday.

    My skin looked great from the moment I put it on and still does after 20 hours!

    If the John Vale Skin Clear programme does not work I will try borage on the rest of my face.

    Merry Christmas

    Håkan

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    • Charles Profile Photo
      Charles

      Hi Hakan.

      How’s your SD doing? Is the diet working?

      Regards,
      Charles

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      • Hakan Profile Photo
        Hakan

        Hi Charles,

        The John Vale Skin clear programme was too hard to handle.

        I went back to avoiding sugar, wheat, alcohol, coffe and junkfood in general.

        That works great on SD but it’s also very important for me to prevent stress.

        Best wishes/ Hakan

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        • Charles Profile Photo
          Charles

          Hi Hakan,

          I will try to do the diet approach too. Hopefully it would help in taming down the flare-ups.
          Thank you.

          Best regards,
          Charles

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  11. Gloria Profile Photo
    Gloria

    I have been battling Seb Derm most of my life, with the most recent serious bout a few months ago. I tried all kinds of things. Seb Derm is due to an internal condition (sluggish liver or toxic colon), so you can treat it all you want externally; however, the greatest results come from taking care of your digestive system. I drink a glass of green juice first thing every morning (celery or cucumber). I have increased my water intake and I put coconut oil all over my face. I also take zinc and flax oil. My skin seems to be improving, but it can take time…several months…

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    • Hakan Profile Photo
      Hakan

      Hi Gloria

      Intresting to read about the cucumber and celery juice. Those are some of the vegetables included in John Vales Clear skin programme which is free for download on the net.

      It contains vegetable juices, soups and sallads. I’m going to do this after new year.

      Tried coconut a few years ago. It made my face extremely red. I only use luke warm water on my face.

      Håkan

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Gloria,

      Thanks for the update. Definitely agree with your comment. However, there appears to be a myriad of other things which can be responsible for SD, with this being potentially only one of them. For example stress, hormonal issues, infection, and some can be extremely unique (one woman’s seborrheic dermatitis was documented to be caused by a Mirena levonorgestrel intrauterine system and resolved completely after its removal, [source](http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13625180500178767?journalCode=iejc20))

      Understanding each individual case is likely the best and most complete approach to long term treatment. However, I do strongly believe that topicals have a significant role to play as well. They allow you to live life, become more social and provide a bit of breathing room while you discover your own issues.

      Happy holidays and look forward to hearing how things progress.
      Best wishes for the New Year!

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  12. honeyjo Profile Photo
    honeyjo

    Hey there, A long while ago I left a message as well. I am very curious if you get the flakes down all time round to zero. I don’t mean the bigger ones I mean the very small / tiny ones..
    Oke broth. Thanks!

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  13. Jay Profile Photo
    Jay

    Hey Michael, just want to say a massive thanks for putting together such a comprehensive article on Seb Derm. It’s also nice to see people come together to try and battle this issue rather than do it alone (which is quite a common feeling when you have skin problems).

    Backstory on me, had what I believe to be Seb Derm for roughly 5 years. Started as red corners of the nose folds when I was around 19/20, but it never bothered me too much. Around a similar time I started developing more mild to moderate acne which I went to a GP for (I’m from the UK) who prescribed a lot of antibiotics which I took for probably 6 months or more in total – wish I had done more research before taking them. Nothing really changed, so I eventually got referred to a dermatologist who gave me more antibiotics for mild acne and also diagnosed SD / Rosacea on my nose and gave me Ketaconazole, Elidel and some other steroid / immunosuppressants. I have never really believed it to be Rosacea due to age and how it’s only prominent on my nose, but I could be wrong…

    By this point I’d started to give up on miracle creams and rarely used any of those aside from the Ketaconazole and it helped very little. Skip forward a year with no improvements, I had to have an operation on my shoulder, more antibiotics from being in hospital and after coming out my SD properly flared up. I got more spots (whiteheads) around my nose and when they popped, it scabbed up and then came 12 months of crusting, scabs and flaking – the most embarrassing point of my life. I got the horrendous build up of ‘scabs’ to slowly stop by using a simple cleanser (Boots Simply Sensitive) and a moisturiser (Cerave). At some points I also noticed slight scaling on the centre of my chest, but this never got worse and a bit of moisturizer / shampoo / ketaconazole stopped this.

    3 months later and the redness started increasing without any flaking. The sides of my nose are permanently red and even the tip and bridge of my nose have red ‘blotches’ to them – it’s been like this since early this year. It’s also extremely oily which it never used to be when I had the scabbing. I assume this is still seb derm due to the location…

    I’ve tried so many creams (Sebclair, Ducray Kelual DS), so many treatments (honey, dead sea salt, anti-fungal shampoos, zinc noble soap etc.) and even changed my diet like you (3 day water fasts, removing processed foods, low carb, keto, supplementation, omega 3s, avoiding sugar, coconut oil, internal ACV etc.) – I feel like I’m almost out of solutions and my diet at the moment is so restrictive, it’s very hard to live anything resembling a normal life.

    Q1) My main question that I’d love to hear your thoughts on, is what can I do to reduce the redness on the sides of my nose? I’m currently thinking of trying Nystatin, but would love to get your opinion.

    Q2) Another question is did you ever get tested for deficiencies? I’m fairly sure the issue originates in the gut and this in turn creates inflammation in the skin which leads to dysfunction in the skin barrier and sebum issues. How it all links is hard to piece together, despite reading a LOT of research publications nobody seems to be sure.

    Sorry for such a long read, but I personally think it’s nice to get a background into people and see what might have caused their issues and what might have helped to improve them! Also, just saw your new cream formulation and that you’re working on a book, would be great to get some sneak previews…

    Thanks again for putting together a great site, will definitely stay around and contribute as much as I can. Would be a waste to let all the knowledge we accumulate go to waste, especially when we can help others!

    Jay.

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hey Jay,

      Thanks for the positive feedback. Yeah, I think that a combined effort is the best approach and yeah trying to battle it alone is rather stressful.

      Thanks for the story. Yeah, antibiotics appear to play a role for many people. One thing that you must consider though is the gut may not be the only place of infection or issue as many people believe. It’s possible that other areas of the body may be having issues. I really believe that people over focus on the gut, but it is obviously quite an important component of our immune system health. Not sure if you have seen it yet, but I’ve been working on a book on the topic of seborrheic dermatitis and have covered quite a broad amount of related topics. Here are the links to the chapter drafts for reference:

      Let me know what you think.

      Overall my story is more mild, but shares many similarities. However, currently my skin is really good and actually get lot’s of compliments about my skin. So, it’s definitely possible to not just get rid of it, but completely turn things around. The last chapter of my book goes into more detail on my own approach and should be ready in the next week or so.

      In essence, at the core of my approach is stop stressing about diet, eat lot’s of sea-food, not much red meat, lots of carbs (potatoes, apples, bread), lots of vegetables, no more supplements, lot’s of physical activity, hardly any vegetable oils (omega 6), and use my own topical formulation (Biom8).

      Q1) Try to reduce vegetable oils in diet. Stop over-stressing things. Try to reduce the amount of products you use at the same time.

      Q2) Have got various medical testing, but never deficiencies. However, I believe that eating a well balanced diet full of vegetables and sea-food should reverse any deficiencies without the use of supplements. Over-thinking the gut connection and the issue in general, can obviously cause a lot of stress and this affects hormones, sebum production, and overall immune function.

      Consider joining the [community](http://www.skindrone.com/community/). Planning to make it much more interactive in nature so that people can really help each other along. It’s rather difficult for me to handle the large amount of questions coming in through the website.

      Hope that helps and let me know if I had missed anything.

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      • Jay Profile Photo
        Jay

        Thanks for the reply, Michael.

        I’ll be sure to look at the drafts tomorrow at some point – might be worth creating a discussion for the drafts / upcoming book in the community forums for feedback & additional ideas?

        Glad to hear you’re getting compliments on your skin now, that truly is a turn around, must be a massive relief to not having something like SD lingering over you. I think the possibility is out there for everyone, it’s just constantly testing things to find out what works I guess. And in reply to your answers…

        1) I avoid pretty much all vegetable oils and focus on extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil for of my oil needs. I also balance my Omega 3s and 6s at about a 1:2 ratio (5g:8g roughly) thanks to eating salmon several times a week, chia seeds and a good fish oil supp.

        2) Interesting, would love to get some pre-testing done, but it’s fairly costly if you do it privately, and trying to convince the NHS to run a lot of tests on you is pretty difficult for a “small skin condition”.

        I’ll obviously try and help out where I can as I’m fairly sure I’ve done a lot of research I’ve done will be relevant to questions, but it’s always nicer to hear it from someone who has conquered the condition!

        Tempted to try one of the following to reduce redness next, which would be your best recommendation in order of how much they helped take away the inflammation with your SD?
        – Baking Soda
        – Green Tea
        – Diluted ACV (I’ve seen this recommended a lot on Earth Clinic)
        – Sudocrem (slightly apprehensive as I think it’s difficult to remove without scrubbing the skin and causing more inflammation)

        Thanks,
        Jay

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        • Michael A. Profile Photo
          Michael A.

          Hi Jay,

          In terms of the treatments you specified, the results were very brief and never lasted.
          The ACV would probably be my favorite out of the 4. Raw honey was the best thing of out DIY treatments. Sudocream just didn’t clean well enough to make it viable.

          Nothing has worked as well as Biom8 at restoring skin tone, skin feel and getting rid of it at the same time.
          The Restoraderm made it go away for quite a while, but skin remained sensitive overall. Hope that my results with the Biom8 continue, but user feedback has been reassuring.

          The forum has been setup for book discussion, but not much activity yet.
          Likely need to make it more visible and integrated into the website.

          Hope that helps and let me know how things go.

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          • Jay Profile Photo
            Jay

            Hi Michael,

            I’ve had a read over the drafts and everything in there so far is really good. A couple of parts could do with more studies to backup the information, but aside from that it’s shaping up great! I’ll go into more detail when I go over it again later this week and I’ll post in the discussion on the forum 🙂

            Initially trying out Nystatin to see how that compares to other anti-fungals I’ve used previously. My first application (just put it on 5 minutes ago) seems to have gone okay, no stinging or anything, so I’ll see how this progresses over the next couple of weeks. Then I imagine I’ll try ACV and possibly the Restoraderm or Biom8 following that… Fingers crossed I don’t need to take it any further than the Nystatin, only time will tell!

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    Peter

    Hi Michel!
    Im 39 y old male. I have the oily kind of seb derm. Im fighting with this 3 Y now.
    It mostly on the center of my face. I have flakes, redness and super oilyness. I tried almost everything what you mention.
    For my hair selsun blue works totaly. For my forehead cetaphil restoraderm works ok(still oily, but no flakes, and little redness). Biggest problem is the face. Nothing seems to work there. Coal tar shampoo takes the flakes, but its red and always very OILy. My biggest problem is the oilness. After a few ours washing with anything the oil is blowing my face. I have no idea what else can i do. I visited more then 10 doctors with minimal results.
    Do you have any ideas?
    Thx for the great website
    Pete

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Peter,

      Thanks for the positive feedback.
      Currently, I’ve been using a solution I made myself with great results. It’s been around 3 months now and skin has been clear.
      You can find more details on it here.

      From everything I had done previously, coal tar worked quite well, but skin was always raw and looked relatively unhealthy.
      Restoraderm worked well for about a year, but issues returned after constant sun exposure.

      Additionally, I believe that understanding the condition is important for long-term treatment.
      Currently, working on a book and you can find chapter drafts here:

      Hope that helps and look forward to any updates.

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    • Hakan Profile Photo
      Hakan

      Peter, have you tried to drink 1,5 to 2 litres of water every day? This reducesed the oil from my skin alot.

      Drink a glass of water once every hour. Don’t drink 2 litres at the same time.

      Regards

      Håkan

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      • Peter Profile Photo
        Peter

        Hi Michael!
        Thank you for the positive attitude.
        Now im trYing restoraderm on my forehead and it seems ok. On my face im rotating selsun and coal tar and its better. But very strange on my face restoraderm its notworking. Who understands?
        Hakan, yes i drink enough but i have never seen any connection with my skin. Anyway thx for you also, and if you have any new idea just write it to me?

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Again Peter,

      Here is a snippet that relates to reducing sebum production (from the final chapter of the book):

      Many factors play into determining the level of sebum our skin produces. The ones that appear to have the clearest impact include:

      • Drastic changes in blood sugar levels (high glycemic load)
      • Retinoids (Vitamin A) (source)
      • Hormones (Androgens, Estrogens IGF and Growth Hormone) (source)
      • Dairy consumption (due to affect on IGF production) (source)

      To improve blood sugar control you simply need to be more consistent in food portions and intake frequency. Additionally, try not to binge on sugar or overeat as these can cause intense spikes in blood sugar. If you do overeat or binge a little here and there, don’t stress about it, it’s normal for us to break the rules here and there.

      Increasing retinoids may be as simple as eating more Vitamin A containing foods. The best part is the foods may not only help control sebum, but have also been documented to impact the functioning of hormones (source) and overall immune function (source).

      Hormones can be a little trickier to control as they may simply be dependent on state of general well-being and other factors potentially outside of your control. One of the best things to keep hormones in-check is to simply try to balance your mental state and levels of stress you associate with everyday life.

      The book is almost complete, but still needs lots of proof and editing.
      Will send you a link with a preview once the draft of this last chapter is done.

      Hope that helps and all the best.

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      • Peter Profile Photo
        Peter

        Hi Michael!
        2 years ago i finished eating sugar.
        I trYed low dose accutane for a year, during accutane the sebum was less, but when i finished it came back(the same level or worse!)
        The hormones and stress: i also think could be connention. I dont sleep well(because of my skin), and if you are always tired, you have a lot of pschilogical problem.
        Anyway, im waiting for your book!
        I already red a few chapter, and its very helpfull!

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        • Sanya Profile Photo
          Sanya

          Hi Peter,

          I wanted to ask you if you are still using Restoraoderm moisturizer on your face? You mentioned above that it seemed ok on your forehead, but not on your face. I have SD and my face is oily too. I read the ingrediants of Restoraderm: Water, Glycerin, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Helianthus Annus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Pentylene Glycol, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Sorbitol, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cetearyl Alcohol, Behenyl Alcohol, Glyceryl Stearate, Tocopheryl Acetate, Hydroxypalmitoyl Sphinganine, Niacinamide, Allantoin, Panthenol, Arginine, Disodium Ethylene Dicocamide PEG-15 Disulfate, Glyceryl Stearate Citrate, Sodium PCA, Ceteareth-20, Sodium Polyacrylate, Caprylyl Glycol, Citric Acid, Dimethiconol, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hyaluronate, Cetyl Alcohol and I wonder if the oils contained in the cream are the ones that have negative effect? I really do not know. One year ago I used a cream rich in oils, but it did not have any effect on the scaling. It was there. If your are not using Restoraderm now, what cleanser and moisturizer are you using on your face?

          Regards,
          Sanya

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          • Peter Profile Photo
            Peter

            Hi Sanya!

            Now im not using cetaphil at all.
            Im using la roche p. tolarine to clean my face. Im using canesten cream and a very simple moisturiser.
            And im using selsun blue on the rest of my face. But not around my nose, because there my skin is too sensitive. Strange but now my skin is mosoly dry, its not perfect, but i like it better than the oily.
            If you have any question, write it.
            Bests, Peter

  15. HopeDiesLast Profile Photo
    HopeDiesLast

    Hi Michael ,

    So my update is :
    3 months 16 days free of flare ups . Then i got a flare up which i treated with ketoconazole 2% for 3 days(once every night)
    Then i got another flare up after 36 days which i treated with the same cream again and it got better right away
    For my sculp i continue using ACV with the mother once every week and everything is normal . We will see how it goes. Winter is coming !!!!!
    EDIT: i was also very tired and anxious about some things that happened in my life when the flare ups happened

    So the cetaphil products work wonders for my skin. Thank you so much . My life is normal again

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      HI HopeDiesLast,

      Was wondering if you would ever be back. Was hoping that you wouldn’t 🙂
      Strange thing there was a comment on here a while back of a lady who also had amazing success with Restoraderm for about a year, then it somehow stopped working. When I read that comment I got a little scared. Even though it never fully stopped working for me, things also got a little shaky and some days the redness was coming back. Basically this led to lots of experimentation and research. In the end I came up with my own solution and have recently wrote about it here:
      My Seborrheic Dermatitis Skin Regimen 2.0

      Also, if it’s of interest, you can find the draft version of the SD chapter of a book I’m working on here:
      All About Seborrheic Dermatitis

      Thanks for checking in and updating.
      Hope things balance out again.

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  16. ronan Profile Photo
    ronan

    Hello I went my local gp and he gave me Nizoral 2 percent and Hydrocortizone 1 percent. The Nizoral has worked amazingly pretty much clearing the dry skin on my scalp and face completely. The hyrdcortisone has worked well but as you know cannot be used long term. Im just wondering is there anything i can use long term for the redness on my face?

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Ronan,

      The Restoraderm products worked really well for me. Perhaps, those might be worth a try.
      However, recently I stopped washing my face all together. Just water now. Also I made my own lotion that I used. Hoping to have samples packaged soon for the community to try out.

      Hope that helps. All the best.

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      • Jarred Profile Photo
        Jarred

        Second that Mike, only water, with one application of Biom8 at night, and moisturizing cream once every two to three days and your golden. Clean diet’s a given – everyone should be doing that anyway.
        #Battlestillrageson

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  17. Marguerite Profile Photo
    Marguerite

    Thank you Michael

    That was great . Wish I had found it years ago.
    I have had SD for over 30 years and like you found a cleanser that helps a lot
    It’s
    Avene, extremely gentle cleanser no rinse ,tissue off formula,
    It’s important to wipe if off not rinse
    Hope this helps someone

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Marguerite,

      Thanks for the update!
      Yeah, it’s crazy how some lotions can work so magically for some of us.
      However, I’ve actually gone away from all face washing (except water).

      All the best and thanks again.

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  18. Kay Profile Photo
    Kay

    Hi Michael,

    I had a question regarding the Cetaphil Restoraderm. I just ordered some through Amazon (haven’t received it yet), but how exactly did it work to get rid of your SD? Was it slowly scaling off the areas or did it all shed off? I currently have SD on the side of my nose, above my eyebrow and on my hairline. I’ve been able to kind of manage it through dietary restrictions, changing my skin/haircare products, and making sure to only wash my face twice a day, maximum. Hopefully the Restoraderm gives me long-term results. I’m going to try raw honey as well.

    Thank you so much for all of your research on SD, you have no idea how much I appreciate it. 🙂

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Kay,

      Thanks for the kind words. 🙂

      For the Cetaphil, I had already minimized my SD to about 90% when I started it. From there it seemed to finish the progress by pretty much fully getting rid of the flaking and redness. However, during the year that I was using it, there were times that I was a little scared as it looked like the SD was becoming active again. Additionally, this summer I was able to bring it back fully while still using the Restoraderm. However, this was self inflicted and I was testing a hypothesis for the book I’ve been working on. Overall, I was quite happy with it as it was an easy regimen to follow and the results were excellent.

      The raw honey was really excellent as well. My biggest issue, was how hard it was to stick to the treatment (quite messy).

      Hope that helps and let me know how things turn our or if you have any other questions.

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  19. Tasnova Alam Profile Photo
    Tasnova Alam

    Hi Michael,

    We had a conversation previously in other post of yours regarding my SD problem. BTW I was curious to know that whether the SudoCream – Rash Cream you used helped you in removing any skin spot? I have some dark pimple marks on my cheeks and by the sideof my hairline…..so I thought to give it a try for both the SD and spot. I read about this in another website too. Did it do anything for the marks or what was your experience?

    anyway I got my dead sea salt parcel and avenoo baby eczema therapy cream few days back. I took the sea salt treatment yesterday for the first time….I think I have to increase the salt amount for treating my long suffered skin though i got a bit positive result. And regarding the Aveeno cream honestly I didn’t like it at all! It’s so sticky just you said in this post. I really don’t know if it’s even helping my skin to heal. Anyway let me try it for few more times.

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Tasnova,

      Luckily I didn’t have too many issues with any left over spots or marks. However, Sudocream works through oxidation so that does makes sense. Additionally, I’ve saw lot’s of skincare stuff referencing Vitamin C serums as good for that. Perhaps that may be something a little more useful. For me Vitamin C seemed to cause a little irritation for my SD (others have reported that it can help control SD though).

      This product seems interesting as it has some of the same active ingredients as the Cetaphil products I use. However, I haven’t had the need to try it out yet. Another user ordered it, but I haven’t heard back from them yet.

      Look forward to hearing on how your results go with the sea salt.

      Regarding the Aveeno cream, I’ve come to the conclusion that everyones skin is simply different. I’m currently considering going out and buying all the most popular stuff people use for SD and creating a kind of sample pack of everything. I’m thinking that perhaps giving people the ability to try a large variation of stuff can help pin-point what item will actually work for that person. What do you think of this?

      Additionally, not sure if I had told you, but my SD made a come back a-couple weeks ago (not ful blown, but it was sparking up). To my surprise the Restoraderm seemed to fully stop working and I was a little scared. However, I’ve been uncovering lots of interesting nutrition stuff and was able to kick things back to normal. Hoping to write a new most covering my most recent findings.

      All the best. And hope things improve.

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      • Tasnova Alam Profile Photo
        Tasnova Alam

        Hello Michael,

        Sorry for the late reply. I have been busy for few days. Anyway, first of all I’m sorry to hear the news of your reappearance of SD! Hope you are doing okay now. and yeah waiting for your new updates.

        Now let me give you my update of using sea salt water and the Shea Terra Organics face wash I’ve stared using (Shea Terra Organics; I mentioned about trying it out in reply of your other post) for the last 7 days. I need to mention that I have SD in my scalp and face mostly. I have few in chest and back as well but they are very minimal. Well, the dead sea salt water seems to be working very slowly for the first 3 days with a very minimum progress (I used 1 tsp for every 250 ml water). But to my delight I started seeing improvements from the 4th day. In the first 3 day I still had bad itching and white flakes coming off. Now I have a very little itching occasionally but white flakes are still there. My face at 1st felt red to the affected areas. Skin was looking horrible but I still stick to my track. I’m almost running out off my dead sea salt so I’m thinking of trying normal unrefined Sea salt this time.

        Now my skin went better by using the sea salt water but to my opinion what helped me more was the face wash named Shea Terra Rose hip black soap. It claims to work for acne and aging of skin. Trust me it did wonders to my skin wheres I had least exception from it! It almost cleared up my skin and regarding the spot of my face they went visibly fade. now I have 2/3 minor spots still left on my face but I can see them fading gradually. One thing about this face wash is I saw it contains salt in it’s ingredient. To talk about the application you have to put the face wash on your wet face and let it sit for 5-10 minuets. For the 1st two day it sting a lot and was itching so hard in my skin (I have been using it every alternative day till now), so I kept for 5 minuets but gradually the itching and stinginess weren’t felt afterward! I was pleased certainly. Most importantly it helped with my SD, smoothed my face and with bonus gave me a glowing effect. It’s so runny so hard top apply though. But I have no complains as long as it working. I need to mention that it makes the skin dry after use so you have to put some kind of moisturizer. I don’t know how to explain the dry feeling of your face, it’s not that you experience harsh skin but it builds a need of moisturizer but gives a smooth finish of your skin. I stopped using Aveeno cream but instead i put Fucicort cream (you can google it or here is one link http://medimart.com/product/fucidin-topical-cream-2/) just after washing, This was suggested by my skin specialist long age. It have been my best friend when I used to have dab flare ups. I used it previously whenever I had bad flare ups but sometimes it worked, other time it didn’t. But with the help of the face wash and the cream it made a great combo this time.

        Now I’m thinking of continuing the face wash every alternative day and will find some good moisturizer soon and lets see what happens. May be I’ll pick from the lists you suggested.

        Oh sorry for making it so long but last but not the least, you said you would like to try all the popular stuffs available for Sd. Regarding that I have to say that already you are doing such a wonderful job. you don’t know how many people suffering from SD are grateful to you for at least making a path for them for thinking about their problems and finding solutions. Moreover you are listing to them and answering them patiently. I really appreciate for what you are doing. But I’m not sure if you should be trying out so many products cause may be you could have some bad reactions or some other sort of skin problems (God forbids!) further. Well it’s up to you and I’m sure you would be very careful in your selections.

        That’s it. I’ll order my sea salt again and a moisturizer. Lets see what happens. Thanks a bunch for your vast contributions. Thank you is actually not enough for you.

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        • Michael A. Profile Photo
          Michael A.

          Hi Tasnova,

          Great to hear back from you. The re-appearance of the SD hasn’t been to much of an issue, as it was partially self-induced (have been testing theories and products) . I’m back on a good a regimen and it’s gone again.

          Strange to hear the progress for the salt treatments. Particularly that you didn’t see much difference in the initial days. However, it’s good to hear things are balancing out. Would be amazing if the salt treatment really takes hold for you. And yeah, strangely enough regular sea salt was actually better for me than dead sea salt.

          Thanks for the product mentions. They look great and it’s good to hear how they have been working for you. However, overall my product approach has been a little different. I think the key lies in barrier restoration products. Additionally, the Fucicort cream is an antibiotic cream and I think long-term these are not the best approach. I’ve been really doing a ton of research lately and will update as soon as it’s ready.

          Thanks for the positive comments. Yeah, regarding the testing of products I am extremely picky now as I have been studying ingredients/formulations. So, I test hardly anything unless I am positive it won’t harm any progress. Currently, I’ve actually been using my own custom wash and moisturizer.

          All the research is hopefully going to end up in a book soon, but it’s been quite daunting to write. Will send it over as soon as it’s ready.

          All the best Tasnova, thanks for your kind words and hope progress continues.

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  20. Wm Profile Photo
    Wm

    Hi, i just gotten a facial rash around my mouth and on my lips for around half a year now, some derm say eczema, some said dermatitis, don’t know which are accurate. I have tried lots of things, now im using acv cause it itches so much and i find the stinging sensation better as it distracts from the itchiness.

    Been doing honey masks since 4 days ago, still no improvements.

    Really dont know what else to do, derms just keep giving steroid cream which i believe caused this rash as i was prescribed it for badly chapped lips before this inflammation and flaking thing happened all around.

    I just started a new school 4 months ago and i literally told them to please dont treat me like a monster cause i looked very very bad then – bleeding all over, crusting and redness.

    How did you deal with the social aspect of seb derm?

    Sometimes i just wish i live in japan where wearing a flu mask is common so that i look normal for once. The redness is like permanent around my mouth, just at times it gets redder, especially after i eat anything(literally, even sliced apples)..

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi WeiMin,

      Dermatitis and eczema are somewhat overlapping. From all the medical stuff I’ve seen the biggest difference is in the pathology of the skin. The sebum is basically consumed by yeast, infection and inflammation result.

      Eczema, however is more of an umbrella term that many use to cover a variety of dry skin conditions. Sometimes seborrheic dermatitis get’s included under this term as well.

      In terms of the steroid use. I personally believe that they are no good for seborrheic dermatitis. Even though they do control it initially, they are not suited for long term use. In addition to this, long term use has been associated with development of rosacea like dermatitis (source).

      What I would do is try to find a local clinic that carries a good variety of samples. Some people react really well to some of these. For me the Restoraderm seemed to work exceptionally well.

      For food you experience this from absolutely everything? And have you tried any sort of dietary restrictions to see if you might have some sort of allergy to something?

      Consider increasing cruciferous vegetables in your diet. They have documented benefits on improving cellular health and improving bodily peptide production.

      If your condition is limited to strictly around the mouth, it seems like it may not be seborrheic dermatitis. SD typically presents itself in more sebum reach areas of heat. Perhaps it maybe some sort of fungal infection, which will likely require a corresponding lotion (nystatin, ketocanazole, UVB radiation, zinc pyrithione). I would personally try to see if it responds to a zinc oxide based diaper rash cream (like SudoCrem).

      Hope that helps and your problem goes away! Let me know if you need more information or if I have missed anything.

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  21. Phil G Profile Photo
    Phil G

    Thanks Michael, so refreshing to see someone trying to do something to help about a condition that holds you back in life. But unless you have it, most people would regard it as little more than a minor skin complaint.
    I’m 61 and my first attack happened when I was 27. Again, dermatologists etc were useless and even depressing,according to them basically your’e stuck with it.
    Like you I have tried so many things.
    Strange you should mention salt intake…my dad died of a stroke and he loved his salt..because of that.I have kept my intake to a minimum and although my SD seems to be under complete control now , I’m going to try the sea salt warm water before breakfast that you advised on one of your other posts.(My blood pressure and general health is fine. So I’m sure this will be ok).
    Just a brief history…before I had my first flare up…I had been taking antibiotics for a number of years to clear up very minor acne milk spots.
    I think it resulted in an imbalance of the good and bad bacteria in my gut.
    Anyway…I now take a probiotic acidophilus with pectin every day. Keep it refrgerated and wash it down with cool water. I have also found that avoiding tomatoes (boo hoo) also helps amazingly.
    I do look and feel so very, very much better now. But as Michael says we’re all different.
    My love to every one of you that has to go through this…I would love it if my post helps even just one person.

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Phil,

      Thanks for checking in and the positive reinforcment.

      Yeah, it’s defiently true. If someone doesn’t have seborrheic dermatitis it is easy for them to brush it off as nothing of concern. Only after experiencing the torment of not understanding what your skin will do next can someone appreciete how annothing of an issue it really is. Particularly when it is flaring, pussing, drying and cracking all over your face.

      In terms of soidum, yeah it was something I had to readjust to myself. Maybe it’s not that good, maybe it is. However, it seems to have helped in general.

      Funny you should mention tomatoes. My SD was in remission for about year, but I kept researching just in case. About a month ago I started experiencing a bit of irriation again. My routine didn’t change, so I was clueless as to what was happening.

      However, just in time I came across this research paper and decided to examine the concept further. After learning more about the topic, I used my self as a test subject. In about of week of loading up on certain foods my SD was back practically in full effect. Then upon cutting them out issues subsided and skin healed (took about a week).

      You can find the approach in detail here using the password skinnydrone to access it. Perhaps it might be of benefit to you.

      All the best and hope some of the info on the site helps.

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    • Alex Profile Photo
      Alex

      Hello Phil,

      If you do not mind me asking, what probiotic do you take? i’ve heard great things about taking a probiotic, but i’d like to start with one that I know has at least had a positive effect on someone’s SD.

      Thanks,

      Alex

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  22. Peter Profile Photo
    Peter

    Amazing study you have done regarding SD.
    I discovered i have SD 3-4 years ago , first on face , then on chest .
    I have also tried to find best natural ways to cure( control it)
    For me i get total cure from changing Climate where i am. How?
    I have been last 10 years living mostky in sub saharn africa, and last 3-4 years i have visited and stayed in Euroep more and more. In Africa the SD clears up almost immediatley , and each time i come back europe he story starts.
    so i guess it has to do with sun radiation and ocean salty water
    Raw honey is also prettu calming
    all topical medications make skin damage and roughen the skin , but take redness away fast
    i belive the conditions is needed to be treated from inside rather than from outside- means immune system , allergies, etc

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Peter,

      Thanks for reaching out and I completely agree with you.
      In terms of the climate change, do your food choices stay the same?
      Also, another thing that might play a role is the difference in the residential water (PH levels).
      Did your seborrheic dermatitis also start from a specific area at first, or several areas at the same time?

      Take care.

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  23. Dylan Profile Photo
    Dylan

    Hi, I just wanted to say your website is great and very informative! I have had mild SD when I was younger dealing with this for around 10 years, but more recently have had severe flares on my face and dry scalp. I’ve also done most treatments I could find and realized that the dermatogists are not helping. I’ve come across the most helpful and wanted to share in case it might help others. Derm-Essentials is a great website to order all natural washes and cream from for skin problems, look into that if you’ve tried everything. Also candida freedom is a very good probiotic soap bar that is gentle enough for the face to help with SD.

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Dylan,
      Thanks for the positive feedback and recommendations.
      I’ve seen the soap, but never purchased it because soaps in general tended to be too drying.
      As for derm-essentials, I couldn’t find much information. Based on the ingredients lists for some their products, I didn’t notice too much difference from many of the other natural (essential oil based) creams and lotions.

      Thanks for reaching out. Are you still actively fighting SD or has it receded?

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      • Dylan Profile Photo
        Dylan

        Hey, yea unfortunately I am still trying to fully control my symptoms of SD. As of right now I have a little bit of red dry skin in the center of my chest which seems to be the most problematic place, my scalp is still quite dry, my face is mostly clear with very little dry flakes and looks a lot less red than before. Also I still get that tingling/warm feeling in my face sometimes which I hate. But about two weeks ago I started take l-glutamine, which I haven’t really noticed to much of a difference from taking it, but will finish what I have just to see. And also I am going to try the restroderm wash and moisturizer you mentioned just to see if that works better than what I am doing now.

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        • Michael A. Profile Photo
          Michael A.

          Hey,
          Sounds like your making fairly good progress. For me the face was the hardest to deal with (granted it never went below my neck).
          Which l-glutamine did you end up getting and how are you taking it?
          Additionally, I’ve been researching things further and working on my own natural version of Restoraderm.
          If your interested I can send you a bit to try out (when it’s ready).

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          • Dylan Profile Photo
            Dylan

            Hey yea I also wanted to say that the soap I use is pretty drying on my face so that’s why I want to try the restoraderm. I would gladly try out what you are going to make too. As for the l-glutamine, I am taking the powder form, one teaspoon in a glass of water ever morning on an empty stomach. Also are you completely clear of SD from what you are doing?

          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Haven’t had any issues with the face. The scalp has been good as well, sometimes I could get a few tiny flakes, but I think this is normal. The scalp hasn’t had any crazy scaling or irritation for over a year now. Best part is that it’s been like this without the use of anti-fungals. The only area which I still could have some bigger flakes is the years. But, here again there doesn’t appear to be any irritation. The skin just seems to sloth off every now and then inside the ear. Behind the ear has been fine (had issues there before).

            Strange thing happened about a month ago. Some small irritation appeared on the left nostril (actually similar to how it originally started on the right). However, I didn’t mess it with and it seems to have thankfully gone away.

            The only reason I am working on my own product is I’m hoping to achieve a more natural formula going forward.

            Hope that helps. Let me know how the Restoraderm turns out.

          • Dylan Profile Photo
            Dylan

            Yea, a more natural formula I think would work best, I just got my restoraderm so I’ll let you know how it works for me. Another question, what do you wash your hair with to not have any issues there?

          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Sorry for the delay,
            For my scalp I’ve been simply using a moisturising shampoo. At first I didn’t think the shampoo was anything special.
            But, now since I have been trying to formulate my own cream I’ve gotten a better understanding of how the Restoraderm works. And it seems the shampoos formula has many of the same characteristics.

            Here is the specific shampoo I’ve been using:
            http://amzn.to/1BXZAR2

            How’s the Restoraderm been?

          • Dylan Profile Photo
            Dylan

            Hey that’s ok. That’s too funny that your using that shampoo, I just recently started using that exact same one. I’ve only been using the restoraderm for acouple days now so I feel like it’s too soon to tell, but I haven’t seen any big changes. I’m trying to be optimistic about it, but I have used cetaphil products in the past and it made my face very red and irritated, and my dermatologist said that something in it wasn’t agreeing with my skin. But I am willing to give this one a go since this is a deifferent product from cetaphil that I haven’t tried yet.

          • Michael A. Profile Photo
            Michael A.

            Hey Dylan,
            Yeah, crazy coincidence. I started using it after having relatively good success with a pro-biotic cleanser from the same company (http://amzn.to/1efBS7J).
            For some reason the cleanser seemed to stop being effective after a while. Have 2 bottles of the stuff left, so might actually give it a try again in tandem with the moisturiser I make.

            Hope the Restoraderm works out for you. Let me know how it goes.

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            Dylan

            Hey so unfortunately I feel like I have used the restoraderm for long enough to see that it is not helping me as much as the candida freedom soap bar is. My face was more red, but decent with keeping my skin hydrated. I guess that product just isn’t for me sense everyone’s skin is different. But what I do is wash with the candida soap bar, and I still use the restoraderm moisturizer for the dry skin which seems to be alright for now, but I wish it could be better. It makes me think though about candida because the soap bar works so well for me that I might have candida overgrowth in my digestive tract. I tried to look into it more, and how to treat that. But most of what I read online was very contradicting about supplements working or not working. Have you looked into candida overgrowth at all or have any knowledge on how to treat that possibly?

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            Michael A.

            Hey Dylan,

            Sorry to hear that it didn’t work out to well. Like you said, everyones skin is different.
            However, one thing to note is that I did change my eating habits a bit as well. So perhaps this played a role.

            In terms of Candida, I did spend/waste quite a bit of time and money going down this path before.
            It was my experience that the internet and Candida don’t mix. There is just an overwhelming amount of false, misleading and scary stuff out there about it. Thus, it seems like the best way to approach it, would be to actually go get medically tested for it. Not sure how much the testing would cost with medical insurance, but the amount of time and money save will likely outweigh this expense (if you have medical coverage then even better).

            Additionally one point to consider, is that dysbiosis can occur due to a general dis-balance in your body. It doesn’t necessarily mean you have a direct fungal infection of the intestinal tract. Your system may simply be dis-balanced leading to excessive intestinal fermentation and creating the perfect environment for systemic issues.

            I’m currently writing a book that summarises all the research I’ve been doing.
            Will email you a copy once it’s ready. Here’s the current outline of the digestion chapter: https://workflowy.com/s/bw29onN3EV

            Let me know what you think.

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            Dylan

            Hi Michael sorry it’s been awhile, I read your article on the digestive tract and it has some great information. I also received your recent email about SD also great stuff thank you. I wanted to say I defiantly probably need to adjust my diet still to improve things. I’m still using the Candida freedom soap to wash and restoraderm to moisturizer for dry skin and it seems ok but my skin gets super oily throughout the day. Any thoughts on that? Also the having a good mindset and relaxing I defiantly think helps. I recently went on vacation and I would say my SD was the best it had been, but acouple days being back to work and the real world my SD came back a little bit but nothing crazy. Also I’ve been using both the shampoos you recommend and it has helped but still not completely flake free on my scalp. Anyways thanks and hope to hear back.

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    Anil Minhas

    Hi,
    Could you please share your experiences about homeopathy treatment of face seborrheic dermatitis

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      Michael A.

      Hi Anil,

      To be honest I don’t have much experience with trying to treat it with homoeopathy.
      Personally, I’m not a big believer in homoeopathic treatments. The principles just don’t make sense to me.
      However, there where a few items like the AZO Yeast Tablets which I have tried. However, I purchased them because of the fractioned coconut oil and pro-biotics they contained (not so much the homoeopathic ingredients).

      Hope that helps.

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    chicken

    Hello Michael,

    I noticed that you said you dosed L-Glutamine 1000g in your final attempt. My question is, did you mean to say 1000mg? Or did you really go from 500mg to 1000g? 100g seems quite high haha. Also exactly how much did 1/2 teaspoon correlate to? Would you mind sharing the brand of powder you used?

    I’ve been suffering from SD for four years now and soon I will be giving the restoderm path a try. I also want to try to supplement with the L-glutamine as well. I would appreciate the information.

    Thank you.

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      Michael A.

      Hi There,
      The whole container was 1000g in total. My biggest doses where single teaspoons to a glass of water.
      1 teaspoon is about 5g and half a teaspoon is about 2.5g, but this would depend on your teaspoon :).

      Here is the exact one I used: Jarrow’s Formula L-Glutamine Powder.
      Not sure if the brand really makes too much different, as long as it’s good quality. This one had the highest reviews on Amazon, which is why I bought it.

      Hope that helps and best of luck.

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  26. Sultan Profile Photo
    Sultan

    Hey Micheal,
    I just found out your website today. It feels so good to know there are many people struggling with the same problem and finding solutions. Thanks for sharing this information with us, it’s really helpful. Trust me, my skin problems have ruined my life and it sometimes make me think why am I even alive. I have been suffering from SD and acne from my teenage (I’m 23 atm) on the cheeks. I also did got scalp itching and hair loss last year but it’s under control now and recovered thinning hairs as well. Dermatologist’s are the worst kind of doctors, they have always prescribed me with steroid creams (advantan). This ugly thing has caused premature aging, wrinkles, discoloration, post inflammatory hyper pigmentation, acne bumps and scars. 2 weeks ago dermatologist gave me retrieve cream(form of retin-a) for scaring,wrinkles and pigmentation ( and I was finally happy) but it rebounded my dermatitis. All hopes lost again. Even if I cure my dermatitis I still have to go through alot of pain in recovering my cheeks to normal.
    Things that helped my condition:
    Diary and diet:
    When I was consuming milk and coffee/tea, my dermatitis was rebounding all the time. It caused me burning, itching, redness, rashes and bumps. I was continuously using steroid creams. From last 2 months I had stop consuming milk products and stopped drinking coffee and tea. This was the first time my dermatitis didn’t rebounded for almost like a month. My skin used to be extremely oily but not anymore. I am also not getting any whiteheads. But if I consume some junk food, milk product, very spicy food or random foods they trigger my dermatitis and pimples. I am still confused about my allergies. It’s like eating random stuff cause redness and rashes. Definitely I have a gut problem and I will immediately start with l-glutamine. I am consuming vegetables and fruits on daily basis.
    Even if i am dermatitis free, my cheeks are never clear. They still have redness, red spots, tiny bumps, post-inflammation and pigmentation. I still have no idea how can I get clear cheeks. This looks like an impossible job for me. If you have any guide for these issues I would be very thankful to you 🙂
    Products:
    ATM i am washing my face with cetaphil face wash with salicylic acid and sulphur cream 2%. It does helps with itchy bumps and rashes. If I get very bad rashes I use hydrozole cream (it’s a weak steroid). I don’t know of any other cream to calm them down, any suggestions?. I am currently in australia and restoradem here is called Skin Restoring Body Wash and they have the same ingredients. I will also start with this product and update you if this is helping me. I am not using any sunscreens, the one suggested by the doctors leaves a white cast on my face and tiny white particales on my beard. Do you have any suggestion for good sunscreen?
    It’s a terrible journey for everyone. Again, thank you for helping people out.

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      Michael A.

      Hi Sultan,

      Thanks for checking in and the kind comments.
      Yeah, it’s mind blowing how many people suffer from this condition. Statistically in the USA alone is close to 5% of the population. I’m surprised there is not more information about it.

      Over the past few weeks I’ve been hammering through all the medical research papers available. Most of the medical community is focused on the topical fungal aspect of the condition. However, most of the studies that try to pin-point the exact reason have been inconslusive. However, the biggest success overall is obtained through anti-fungal treatments (hence why head and shoulders is so popular in stores).

      In terms of diet, there are defiently links and I noticed them myself. However, a year later without SD I can say that everything that I thought caused it was wrong.

      There are still products that I typically stay away from though. These are mainly low quality meat, most dairy, and tomatoe paste. When I eat these I can still at times feel hot flahes in the areas where my SD used to be. However, I do consume a bit of them here and there. My focus is not too completly avoid, but to minimize overall. This seems to have worked well.

      In terms of redness, I think the Restoraderm helps really well. Lot’s of people have had good results with as well. The regular cetaphil products were good, but never really made my SD go away.

      I’ve been reallly digging through research papers lately. I’m determined to build a comprehensive review simple for regular people to understand. The parts current research that have intersted me the most are connections to the immune system. Here is an old article, but it’s often cited by more recent ones. It seems that for some of us our immune system is just out of whack. Research has shown that healthy subjects with the same mallazia yeast can have no signs of SD (1, 2).

      Will update you once the post is ready. I’m determined find a more conlusive answer as to why I had seborrheic dermatitis.

      Hope that helps. Feel free to join the community, if you feel like it.

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      • Sultan Profile Photo
        Sultan

        I have the same problem as you. Certain food cause hot flashes in my effected areas. Like spicy food will cause redness and sometimes I will get some tingling and itching as well. Another weird thing happens to me is certain food will sometime cause flashes/irritation and sometimes nothing will happen (like apple). 2 days ago I eat apple in the evening and after 30 minutes I noticed reduction in my redness. But Today I eat an apple and my cheeks got slightly red and minor tingling, bloody confusing! Clearly their is something wrong from inside maybe that’s why doctors haven’t found the root cause of SD because of too many variables involved. Next week I am getting some allergy tests done, hope it will help.
        I will be eagerly waiting for you update and will love to join this community.

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          Michael A.

          Hi Sultan,

          The whole food part of it is extremely confusing. Reading medical research papers on the subject, even more so.
          There just seems to be so much conflicting information out there.

          So far everything I’ve read has been pointing in the direction of a complex hormonal (part of this could be directly related to our own thoughts), immune, and digestive interaction. There are still many aspects that remain unclear. Will update as I have a more concrete hypothesis.

          As far as the apple okay today and not okay another day.
          This may have been any of the following:

          • food combination was not appropriate (eating fruit after a slow digesting meal increases chance of fermentation in the digestive tract)
          • the flare could have been a result of something else (the apple may be simple reasoning your mind used to explain what occurred)

          Not much of an answer, but the issues is so complex that having a clear cut answer is very difficult.
          Consider sharing a bit about your own story in the community section. The more information that can be accumulated, the more value it may potentially hold.

          All the best.

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          • Sultan Profile Photo
            Sultan

            I agree about the relation with our thoughts. My friends always taunt me that it’s all in your head and you think too much. Because stress exaggerates inflammation in your body.
            Hmm maybe your right about the apple, I should keep track of my food intake.
            Yes, the answer is very complex. But it’s for sure that if you’ve got such problems your body is not functioning properly.

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        Sultan

        And how long did glutamine took for you to notice that big meals weren’t affecting your skin?

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          Michael A.

          Hard to say as it was about a year ago. From what I can recall it was about a week or two before I started noticing changes.
          However, there are many factors which I changed about my approach at the same time.

          Another reader here (Sarah) wasn’t able to obtain the same results as me from her attempt.
          However, several other readers have confirmed great results from the Restoraderm alone.

          Look forward to any updates.

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          • Sultan Profile Photo
            Sultan

            I started Restoraderm 4 days ago along with sunscreen. Atm I am washing it in the morning and before sleeping, and I can see the improvements already. My inflammation is reduced and skin tone is better. I start l-glutamine yesterday but after starting glutamine I have noticed a slight tiny red bumps/redness on upper cheeks. I am not sure whether it’s glutamine or something else.

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      Michael A.

      Hi Sultan,

      Seems that I didn’t answer the sun screen question.
      The one I was using last year was Ombrelle Kids.
      Not sure if it was the best choice, but it worked well.

      One thing I noticed was that the seborrheic dermatitis actually improved from using the sun screen.
      However, I’ve heard this report from other people using other sun screens as well.
      The effect is likely due to the titanium dioxide or zinc oxide that sunscreens contain. As they act as antimicrobial agents (source).
      All the best.

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      • Sultan Profile Photo
        Sultan

        Thanks. And yes, sunscreen does help with the inflammation and irritation.
        I should also tell you that my skin is also prone to acne. Will the restoradem affect the acne? what if I want to use some acne face wash?
        And did you suffered from any post inflammatory pigmentation and wrinkles on cheeks?

        I am so glad that I found your blog. Finally something which is actually helping without the use of steriods. Thank you so much Michael 🙂

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        • Michael A. Profile Photo
          Michael A.

          Hi Sultan,

          Yeah personally I think stress and the associated hormonal release actually plays a bigger role then most of the other things. In a way, it kind of closes up the cycle on itself (stress -> skin issue -> stress). However, there is surprisingly little research in this area. One study tried to link it to daylight and melatonine levels (source). While, another clearly states that emotion plays a large role in disorders of the skin (source).

          This one is rather easy reading, but mainly it’s just full of general observations. Interesting ideas are presented though.

          One thing that really stood out to amongst the stuff I’ve been reading was that seborrhoea is actually not feature of seborrheic dermatitis (source). Might sound confusing, but basically the study demonstrates that seborrheic dermatitis is not the result of excess sebum production. In a significant amount of the patients, sebum production was actually reduced.

          As for your questions. Not sure if the restoraderm would have any negative effect on acne. To be honest, never really had issues with acne. However, I don’t think it should as they make lot’s of cleansers that are suppose to help with acne.

          Yeah, not sure in terms of the l-glutamine. Didn’t have this issue myself. Let me know how it plays out.

          Great to hear that your seeing improvements overall though. Hope it resolves completely for you.

          All the best and look forward to any updates.

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          • Sultan Profile Photo
            Sultan

            Well I remember I started PMO, but my highest streak was 10 days. During those days, I stopped thinking about my skin issues, stayed happy, worked out and eat healthy. I didn’t had any flare up and my redness reduced alot. But poor food choices made me relapse again. It works, but it’s very hard.
            I only took glutamine for 2 days and I will introduce it again in 2,3 days and see if it’s helping me or not.
            I hope I can get rid of this problem once and for all. It’s interferring in every aspect of my life.
            And Thanks again Michael for giving us a resonable hope 🙂

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    Padraig

    Hi Michael,
    Ive been to see 2 dermatologists and they both said hands down I have Seborrheic Dermatitis. The thing is I don’t get dry skin around my nose and ears or suffer from yellow scaly patches on my eyebrows or suffer from bad flaky dandruff like I’ve read some people do. If i use Head and Shoulders daily, my dry scalp is under control. What I do have is redness on my face, my two cheeks and my nose which bothers me a lot , I don’t have it on my forehead or ears or anywhere else. Ive been prescribed anti-fungal creams and even protopic gel ointment, none which have worked in any way. Ive heard all about yeast and fungus and my facial skin producing too much oil which is causing the redness etc. If yo ask me the Dermatologists haven’t a clue. Have you any routine or formula to combat the redness caused from SD?

    Thanks, Padraig.

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Padraig,

      The Restoraderm has worked quite well for people who gave it a try. I’m still not 100% sure why it works so well, but I’ve recently been researching deeper into the area. Currently I’m under the impression that the Arginine in the moisturizer helps my normalize blood flow on the top layer of skin. However, with the tiny amount that I use I’m still left wondering how this could be so.

      I’m currently trying to write a thorough analysis of what latest research has to say. For the most part the medical community has kind of agreed the best treatment option is an anti-fungal one. However, even with anti-fungals being the recommended treatment, they still say the cause remains unknown and widely disputed.

      Will update as soon as the post is ready.
      Hope that helps and feel free to join the community.

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  28. HopeDiesLast Profile Photo
    HopeDiesLast

    Hi Michael, long time no see.

    I finally bought restoraderm body wash and moisturizer and guess what , this is day 34 seborrheic dermatitis free. I started using these two products twice per day morning and night (before bed) applying minimum possible moisturizer and at noon i wash my face with water( when i am at home) . I also bought some gentle cloths for the face for each day of the week. I still have flaking on my sculp but i control it with ACV , but i still use sls shampoo as the no sls shampoo didnt work well for me. I also didnt use any supplement.
    Finally i would like to add that my dermatitis usually occurs around 14 days of the application of fungoral cream ( ketoconazole cream 2% ) but this time it hasnt yet appeared, i hope it continues this way. Also it is nearly summer here so the weather is good.

    How is your condition going?? how much time have you been seborrheic dermatitis free??

    HopeDiesLast

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      Michael A.

      Hello,

      Great to hear it! I’m glad to finally decided to try it. I saw some of your posts on the other forum and noticed you were skeptical. It’s crazy how well it works though, right?

      ACV is really good for the scalp. Especially since the main objective is flake and scale free. The pinkness doesn’t matter as much and the scalp doesn’t have too much pigment anyway.

      For me, my scalp went away without anything too special. Perhaps the l-glutamine supplementation was responsible for this. Perhaps it was something else. Not sure. Sometimes I see a few flakes appear, but they die down rather quickly.

      My face has been clear since about last June-August. So almost a year now. My scalpe has been mainly clear (see comment above) since then as well. I haven’t done anything special to the scalp and have just been using the restoraderm on a regular basis. Like I mentioned previously I use a very minimal ammount.

      Additionally, I recently started supplementing with glutamine a bit again. Still have a huge tub of it left and thought it would be good for sports recovery (it’s most common use).

      Hope that answers all your questions. And glad to hear it worked out so well for you as well. Also thanks for spreading the word on the other forum, I haven’t found the time to reach out anywhere else yet.

      Take care and perhaps consider joining the community 🙂

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  29. David Profile Photo
    David

    Hello, my Cetaphil restoraderm has different ingrediants in it from the kind you are using. Where can you find the kind that you have in the United States. I have looked on Amazon but I’m just seeing the same kind that I have. On the bottle is says skin restoring moisturizer formulated for eczema. I would like to try it but I’m afraid it will make things worse like so many other products have done in the past. Thank you.

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi David,

      Got your email/details and have sent you a response directly.

      If it works out for you I think I’ve seen the correct one listed on US Amazon as well. For example this listing appears to list ingredients identical to mine in the Q&A section. However, it’s probably best to contact the seller and double check that.

      All the best and stay in touch.

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  30. Casey Profile Photo
    Casey

    Hey Michael, just found your website the other day due to a recent flare up that seems to be the worst one I’ve ever had. Been dealing with this for roughly 12 years (I’m 27 years old), and for the last 3 or 4 years I’ve been prescribed Desonate gel by my dermatologist, and for awhile before that I was prescribed Elidel and something else. I’ve been using mostly Head & Shoulders and sometimes Selsun Blue (just finished a bottle yesterday) and today I even tried my roommate’s Axe Dandruff Shampoo that does seem to work for his scalp dandruff (whereas mine is scalp, face, and sometimes behind my ears).
    Earlier today, I ran to my local Walmart and picked up some Cetaphil Restoraderm “Eczema Calming” Body Wash as well as the Cetaphil Restoraderm “Skin Restoring” Moisturizer “Formulated For Eczema” after running across this website and seeing your recommendations. It’s been roughly 3 hours since I put it on and so far so good! I live in Auburn, Alabama, so obviously I would have the USA formula (if there is a confirmed difference).

    For the sake of keeping up with how comprehensive you are, which I GREATLY appreciate, here’s the ingredients list on the back of my Cetaphil Body Wash:
    -Water
    -Butryrosepermum ParkII (Shea Butter)
    -Sodium Trideceth Sulfate
    -Glycerin
    -Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil
    -Sodium Chloride
    -Sodium Lauroamphoacetate
    -Cocamide Mea
    -Niacinamide
    -Tocopheryl Acetate
    -Allantoin
    -Arginine
    -Citric Acid
    -Methylisothiazolinone
    -Sodium PCA
    -1,2-Hexanediol
    -Caprylyl Glycol
    -Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride
    -Potassium Sorbate
    -Disodium EDTA

    I also picked up a bottle of Denorex “Dandruff Control” shampoo, which I had never seen before but figured maybe it was better than the other shampoos I’ve tried. Fingers crossed that this Cetaphil stuff returns the same great results for me that it has for you! I’ll be sure to report back after awhile. Thanks again man!

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hey Casey,

      Sorry to hear that you’ve been fighting this thing for so long. Can’t imagine how draining that must be. However, I’m using using the anti-fungals has controlled it for the most part.

      If they have a similar affect on you as they did on me, I’m guessing the texture/tone of the skin suffers though. Or was your experience different?

      Happy to hear that the Restoraderm feels nice. I’m guessing 3 hours in it was a little early to see the final outcome. How are things now?

      Thanks for providing the ingredients list. Mine is identical to that one.

      Excited to hear what happens with the Restoraderm. Are you using any of the typical supplements that most people try along the way?

      Best of luck and really hope it works out for you. Look forward to hearing from you.

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    David

    Hello I have read your above posts and the Cetaphil I have is not the same ingredients. It seems like they don’t carry this specific kind in the United States. I have looked at the pictures of the bottles you have shown and i am not seeing this specific brand of restoraderm in any of the stores that I am going to. Just the restoraderm for eczema, the kind I bought but have not used because it is not the same kind that you are using. I am having a lot of itching going on with my forehead but I’m not sure what to use on it. I am very sensitive to so many things I have tried on my face and it gets frustrating trying to figure out what do to next. I am still taking the L-glutamine and probiotics and using the Dead Sea salt but I haven’t cleared up very much. I have redness and I wish I could find a way to get rid of the redness and the itching.

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      Michael A.

      Hi David,
      Sorry to hear that. Strange why they would sell a different formulation in the states.
      If you like, I’m going down to Bellingham (US) and can try to mail you a sample pack (need to see if that paediatrician still has any available). Just contact me using the “Get in Touch” and we exchange details.

      As far as the dead sea salt washes, if your not seeing too much results maybe it’s not the right thing for your skin. For me it only worked initially and started actually causing more inflammation later on.

      Just out of curiosity, what pro-biotics are you taking?

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  32. David Profile Photo
    David

    Hello, your journey sounds so much like mine. I have tried so many things and I have spent so much money trying to find a cure for my seborrheic dermatitis. I have been taking the l-glutamine for six days now and also using the Dead Sea salt for six days. I’m not seeing much improvement. How long does it take to start seeing results from the l-glutamine and the Dead Sea salt? I have looked for the cetaphil restoraderm but can’t find the one that you are using. I bought some at cvs but it’s the skin restoring moisturizer for eczema. I’ve tried other cetaphil products in the past and they seem to be harsh for my very sensitive skin. My rash or dermatitis is on my forehead, between my eyes and on my nose. I am not getting any of the flakes or scales but in seeing two different dermatologist they said I had seborrheic dermatitis. I’m tired of spending so much money on this lotion, pills and the steroids and everything else to only see no results. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated as I am sick and tired looking online for something that will take this rash or dermatitis as I have been told off of my face. Thank you.

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      Michael A.

      Hi David,
      It seems like the journey of many seborrheic dermatitis sufferers is quite similar. Personally I believe this is actually part of the problem. The amount of personal testing and daily analysis most people with seborrheic dermatitis go through is quite intense.

      The dead sea salt was almost instant for me. However, it didn’t last for too long (2-3 weeks). Also I actually found that regular sea salt from Trader Joes was actually more effective for me than the expensive dead sea salt I bought on Amazon. When it stopped working it actually seemed to make things worse when I attempted it.

      I think the skin restoring moisturizer might be the same. Several people here have pointed out that it goes by several names (particularly in the states). Here are the exact ingredients from mine:

      aqua (purifed water/eau purifée), butyrospermum parkii (shea butter), sodium trideceth sulfate, glycerin, helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed oil, sodium chloride, sodium lauramphoacetate, cocamide MEA, citric acid, niacinamide, sodium PCA (filaggrin BP), tocopheryl acetate, 1,2-Hexanediol and caprylyl glycol, disodium EDTA, guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, allantoin, potassium sorbate, arginine (filaggrin BP), methylisothiazolinone

      Let me know if it’s the same one.

      Also I believe a big part of it is psychological. It’s as if people get stuck in a negative feedback loop. Hopefully can put together a post on this subject in the next few weeks. Check the comments above for some more discussion in this area.

      Keep in touch and let me know if you need any other information.
      Take care and thanks again for checking in.

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    Kaye katz

    Dear Michael.
    great site. Clear writing. Awesome person (you are).
    6 years since SD is a part of my life – and as we all know – a big big part unfortunately…
    I tried it all. some stuff didn’t work, some stuff made things worse… I used to pill off the flakes and rub my face daily with my Baird hands – and it gave me more reasons to be worried – dark spots… Fustrating toke control in many points during this six years… What I got left is hope – and your site gives hope. Now a days, my SD is not that bad. I simply wash it with a gentle face cleanser. No muistriser at all. Sun block in the morning (are u using any son block? What kind? – it’s seems to help a bit soprisingly, but some times cameos with burning sensation…). that’s it basically.
    The truble is, that its not enough off course. After few days the flake and redness build up and take over… When they does, I use head n shoulders, but it’s make my face dry and stiff. As you see, things are quite fragile… but it’s the best I can do.
    Now, I want to buy the restodarm you suggested. I’ll give it a try. Really, got nothing to lose… I have to order it cos I couldn’t find it here ( they only sale the regular one in Israel – and its not good for me). I’ll let you know how it goes… By the way, have you heard of Serna lotion? It’s sounds like the same ‘family’ of restodarm lotion. Maybe you saw the YouTube film white the guy who hade a good result with it…
    Sorry fore the long post – I have so much on my chest : ) thanks again (and again…)
    Kaye.

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      Michael A.

      Hi Kaye,
      Thanks for checking in. Glad to hear that things are somewhat under control for you now.

      I’m personally not using sun screen at the moment. However, I’ve noticed it does help. This is likely due to the zinc present in most sun screens. The zinc seems to be responsible for helping control any bacteria that might be present.

      A really big aspect of seborrheic dermatitis seems to also be a psychological one. After reading so much negative information on the internet, it is really easy for the mind to get stuck in a negative feedback loop. If you believe something you eat or do might trigger your seborrheic dermatitis, the negative thought process that occurs seems to be strong enough to trigger inflammation alone. This further enhances your belief. For example think about a person who turns red from blushing when they are nervous. Hopefully, I can put together a post looking at this phenomenon in more detail. The above comments relate to this as well.

      As for the cleanser you inquired about (Serna), I was only able to find one called Sarna Anti-Itch Lotion. However, I have not tried this one, so I can’t comment on its effectiveness. Looking at the ingredients page it is definitely different from the Restoraderm, as it contains things like Menthol and Camphor. Haven’t seen the video either. Quick search pulled up this one, but it’s a women who touches upon it.

      Yeah, I would definitely give Restoraderm a try. Several others have reported that it helped them as well. Let me know how it goes for you. Hopefully it helps.

      Best of Luck.

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    Nikki

    I have tried a lot of the above home remedy methods, and found that: ACV seemed to work a bit in calming it, but irritated it overtime. Baking Soda though is not a good idea. I read somewhere that SD is due to yeast, and while baking soda calms it at first, it actually makes a more livable ph level for the yeast.

    My current method:
    Wash with tiny amount of Restoraderm Wash using cool water, pad dry, pea size amount Restoraderm lotion all over my face, go to school 🙂 And I have a scrubby shower cloth for the flacks that I use to lather Restoraderm wash and scrub my nose area with.

    For the coconut oil, I found in Shoppers, a huge bottle of organic coconut oil in gel capsules. When I first started, I got “die-off symptoms”, some bloating etc. but that does away. I feel like this helps a lot.

    My SD is still about 1/3 of the size from when it was worst. Some friends say it’s not that noticeable, some say it just looks like mild acne or I have cold. However, it’s not really improving anymore. What I did notice is that after drinking a lot of alcohol, it gets a lot worse. So I do feel that what we put IN our bodies matters more than what we put ON. I will try the diet changes next.

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      Michael A.

      Hi Nikki,
      Thanks for checking in here as well. I’m going to try to write a new post on the whole mental aspect of this thing soon.
      All the best.

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  35. HopeDiesLast Profile Photo
    HopeDiesLast

    Hi MICHAEL

    My gluten free diet ended after 20 days with a flare up so i guess gluten free doesnt work for me.

    i am currently testing raw organic honey method . I started today actually . I will share results asap .

    i’m also planning on buying the 2 products (cleanser and moisturizer that helped you so much) .

    I would like to ask you about glutamine supplementation.

    How much did you take each day in terms of mg ?

    i read here ( http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/glutamine ) that doses as high as 500-1500 mg are generally safe

    for how much time should i consume it order to heal my gut?

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      Michael A.

      Hi HopeDiesLast,

      Thanks for the update.
      My “gluten free” results were similar to yours. Personally it seems the initial improvements were more mind of matter for me.
      Let me know how the raw honey method is for you. Typically it was quick to calm my skin down.

      Most of all I am interested on how your results from the Cetaphil products turn out.
      So far there have been a number of positive outcomes form others. Hope it helps you as well.

      Each morning I would take a teaspoon to a glass of water. That’s about 4-5 grams of pure l-glutamine powder.
      On the container it says to take 1/2 teaspoon (~2 grams). The dose I was taking was based upon reading some stuff on scholar.google.com (this study was using ~16g/day) and reviews on Amazon.
      Perhaps you may want to look around scholar.google.com for some more specifics on dosages. Personally I didn’t want to take much more than recommended on the packaging, but from what I read, higher doses might be needed to restore intestinal barrier.

      Overall I supplemented with the glutamine for roughly 6 months. In total I went through about 1.2kg of pure powder.
      Hope that helps and let me know if you have any further questions.

      Best of luck and look forward to any updates.

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  36. Adam Profile Photo
    Adam

    Hey Michael,
    I want to start your Cetaphil RestoraDerm, but was wondering if it is still working for you and have you changed your application routine with it?

    Adam

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    • Michael A. Profile Photo
      Michael A.

      Hi Adam,
      Still using the Restoraderm, and my technique hasn’t changed form the original posting.
      Simply just do regular daily washings before bed. Here is an outline of the routine:

      • Rinse face with cold water
      • Wash face with small amount of the Restoraderm wash
      • Let air dry for a few minutes, during this time I typically brush my teeth
      • Massage in a small amount of the Restoraderm moisturiser while face is still moist and let air dry

      That’s all I do now.

      I’ve stopped the Glutamine supplementation because I feel like it finished it’s job.
      Hope that helps, and let me know if you need any more details.

      If you find the time, would love to hear any updates you may have. Best of luck.

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      • Adam Profile Photo
        Adam

        Thanks for the clarification Michael. As of right now Im on the Honey/ACV/DermaZinc Lotion routine. Day 4 right now. Funny thing is, as Im typing this, I have my face smothered in Honey at the beginning of the 3hr mask. Im seeing good results so far. 5 days ago I got off of Elidel so my skin is going through the stages of getting off of a suppressant and flaking lots, but redness and itching has gone down dramatically.

        This might sound like a weird question but I have to ask. If you only wash your face before bed, what do you do when you wake in the morning? I imagine you dont splash your face with water because that would rinse off the RestoraDerm from the night before. Do you just do nothing and keep ur skin untouched? How do you get ur hair wet in order to comb or style it without getting ur face wet?

        See. Weird questions for sure haha!!! But it would help me out a lot…..

        Adam

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          Michael A.

          Hi Adam,

          Yeah it’s really not that strange of a question actually :). I do have a bit of a special approach.

          Basically I wash and moisturise at night and let it do it’s thing while I sleep. When I wake up my face is good to go.
          In the morning shower I just tilt my head back and wash my hair, without getting the face wet.
          Perhaps using the stuff morning and night might be allright as well (I believe another reader here is doing that). My own goal was going as minimal as possible.

          In terms of other swimming activities (pool, sauna), they seem to be okay.
          If anything I just wash my face with the Restoraderm at my last contact with water during the day (if I shower or go to the pool early in the evening I just use the Restoraderm then).

          Haven’t gone swimming in the ocean since everything balanced out. In the summer I’ll update on how that goes.

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          • Adam Profile Photo
            Adam

            Thanks for the clear response. Now I know how to go about it.

  37. Scott Profile Photo
    Scott

    Man, I’m glad I came across your website today.

    I just started having flakes and redness on the sides of my nose beginning a few months ago, previously nothing but occasional light dandruff. Thought it would go away but it didn’t and since it wasn’t super bad I did nothing.

    Could be coincidence but I think it started when I started using this rose oil for my face, and now that you mention it my diet did change from mainly meat and vegetables to high protein/fat and high carbs. Been eating bit of sugar too, which I normally don’t like. Generally pretty healthy with no digestion/gut/food issues though.

    Anyway, decided to do something about it tonight. Went to Shoppers and bought some tea tree face wash and Selsum Blue 2.5% after minimal research. Like yourself I was a little concerned about going so chemical/broad anti-fungal bacterial approach. I also agree with you that the over-researching health issues on the internet really is detrimental if not outright depressing.

    I’m going to head back to store and return that Selsum Blue (stuff’s expensive) and head to Whole paycheck and find that Andalou shampoo. Looks to be what l was thinking would work… I agree with you about needing the conventional stuff in perpetuity or risk it coming back worse.

    I actually have a bit of glutamine somewhere as well. Couldn’t hurt.

    Anyhow, thanks a bunch for the information and well linked pictures of the products you’re using. It helps that I think we’re from the same city. Take care.

    I’ll let you know how it works out.

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      Michael A.

      Hi Scott,
      Thanks for the update. I’m in Vancouver if that helps.
      Let me know how the shampoo works out? Are you using anything for the face?

      Yeah, I’m not really still 100% if the glutamine really helped as much as I think it did. Might be more clear if other people confirm it as well.

      Also one thing that I did right before going to the Andalou was use a more natural anti-fungal shampoo. It used a mineral based coal tar variant. This stuff had a transitioning faze and was more of head paste (didn’t sud) than a typical shampoo.

      The reason I switched was that stuff was really expensive (+$30) and the only place I could find with a reasonable price was the US Amazon (inconvenient). The ingredients of it can be found on their page here. However, mine doesn’t contain the xanthan gum and recent reviews on Amazon seem to be for that formula (here is mine).

      Not sure if that shampoo was a good transitioning step to the Andalou.

      Also towards the end you mentioned “Whole paycheck”, I’m guessing Whole Foods? 🙂
      Look forward to hearing any updates. All the best.

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      • Scott Profile Photo
        Scott

        Yeah, I thought I read in one of your posts you were from Vancouver. I just got a bottle of the Restoraderm moisturizer from London Drugs, so now I have both. I find that if I moisturize the nose fold area (only area red and flaky) it flakes very little. Since we’re both from the same city, likely using the same formula.

        I just started, I’ll post back in a couple weeks and let you know how it’s working. I’m hoping it goes away completely.

        The shampoo seems good. Smells good. I have a bit of Nizoral left, so I’ll just finish it while alternating with the Andalou stuff. I know the first time I had dandruff bad, Nizoral worked completely and I stopped. This time it doesn’t seem as effective, but I’ll finish the bottle. My scalp isn’t bad right now.

        Thank again.

        BTW, I bought the gluatmine for recovery from weights. Weird that you stayed sore while on it. Seems like the opposite of what it’s suppose to do.

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        • Michael A. Profile Photo
          Michael A.

          Great to hear from someone in the same city.

          In terms of the glutamie, when I first started supplementing with it, I felt the usual effects (quick muscle recovery). Things only changed after about 6-7 months of practically daily supplementation.

          Also found this reversal strange. My explanation for this was that my body was just telling me it had enough. Maybe everything was sore for others reasons, not sure. Either way I took that cue and stopped supplementation.

          Also maybe because I was taking it on an empty stomach every morning, it absorbed differently (as opposed to someone taking it right after training and/or with food).

          Overall though I felt great when taking it. Especially seemed to have great energy in the morning.

          Look forward to hearing back from you and hope it works out.

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          Scott

          Hey Michael, thanks dude! It’s been about a week using the Cetaphil Restoraderm, and I guess I was lucky because the redness and flakes on my nose fold is gone. Pretty much started looking better right away.

          I suppose it wasn’t too bad of a case to begin with but it wasn’t going away on it’s own. Hope it stays gone. Fingers crossed.

          I just use the wash and moisturizer like a normally do, when I wake up and when I go to sleep. The moisturizer seems to really work to keep the flakes away, I apply it liberally in the area.

          Still have the dandruff, but the shampoo seems to help. Guess it moisturizes my scalp. The Nizoral just made my scalp ultra dry, itchy and dandruff got worse.

          I never did start with the glutamine. Been lifting a bit more lately so just started taking 5 mg a day. Figure it can’t hurt. Have taken it before for working out.

          Anyway, thanks man. Appreciate it.

          BTW, do you use the moisturizer sparingly because that’s how you usually do it, or are you concerned it may lose it’s efficacy through overuse?

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            Michael A.

            Hi Scott,
            Great to hear that it worked out so well for you and thanks for checking back.
            Yeah, hopefully it stays away for good. Mine’s been gone for ~9-10 months now.

            In terms of the shampoo, glad to hear it might be helping as well. Sometimes I get a few flakes on my scalp still, but nothing too bad.
            Typically though my scalp is clear and I wash my hair almost daily. Maybe the specific shampoo doesn’t even matter, maybe it was the glutamine, hard to say exactly.

            As for the moisturiser, I guess it’s a bit of both. The thought of it loosing efficacy has definitely crossed my mind before.
            But also, I just feel like less is more. When the face is still moist, the tiny amount I use seems to do it’s job adequately without leaving much actual product on my face.

            Best of luck and hope your results continue!

  38. Kyle Westendorf Profile Photo
    Kyle Westendorf

    Hey man, I just wanted to thank you for all this. I’ve struggled with dandruff since I was young, and then in my teens I started suffering from painfully dry skin and seborrheic dermatitis. Your suggestion for cetaphil restoraderm has been the only thing that has left me essentially symptom free. Thank you so much, you’ve changed my life if even in a small way.

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      Michael A.

      Hey Kyle,
      Thanks for the update. Glad that it worked out for you and it impacted your life in a positive way 🙂
      You have any certain approach with the washing?
      All the best.

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  39. Luis Profile Photo
    Luis

    Hi Michael,
    I went ahead and bought the Restoraderm, and going to try out. I’ll be giving you weekly updates to see how it turns out. It’s labeled as Cetaphil Restoraderm, Eczema Calming Body Wash. Is that the same thing? It gives me somewhat a burning sensation when I use it, but goes away shortly after I wash it off. Did you experience the same thing? I’ll be also starting on the L-Glutamine to see if that makes a difference at all. Thank you again for this informative website!

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      Michael A.

      Hi Luis,

      Yeah that seems like the same thing. Here is the ingredients list of the one I have, you can compare yours:

      aqua (purifed water/eau purifée), butyrospermum parkii (shea butter), sodium trideceth sulfate, glycerin, helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed oil, sodium chloride, sodium lauramphoacetate, cocamide MEA, citric acid, niacinamide, sodium PCA (filaggrin BP), tocopheryl acetate, 1,2-Hexanediol and caprylyl glycol, disodium EDTA, guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, allantoin, potassium sorbate, arginine (filaggrin BP), methylisothiazolinone

      For me I didn’t get any burning sensation, how bad is your skin at the moment?
      When I started my skin wasn’t flaring much. Has your skin calmed to it since?

      Thanks for the positive comment. Hope it ends up working out for you as well. Looking forward to hearing any progress you make. All the best.

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      • Luis Profile Photo
        Luis

        Hi Michael,

        This is the ingredient list for the one I’m using: Water, Glycerin, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Pentylene Glycol, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Sorbitol, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cetearyl Alcohol, Behenyl Alcohol, Glyceryl Stearate, Tocopheryl Acetate, Hydroxypalmitoyl Sphinganine, Niacinamide, Allantoin, Panthenol, Arginine, Disodium Ethylene Dicocamide PEG-15 Disulfate, Glyceryl Stearate Citrate, Sodium PCA, Ceteareth-20, Sodium Polyacrylate, Caprylyl Glycol, Citric acid, Dimethiconol, Disodium EDTA.

        Not completely the same…

        I did start using the Restoraderm when I had a flare up, maybe that’s why it burned? I was using it daily, but it was irritating my skin somewhat. I would wake up in the morning more red than the night before. I noticed though, that my skin would clear throughout the day. I’m going to use it every other day now, and see if that helps. I’ll wait until I’m a bit more clear and less irrirated before I try it again. I unfortunately could not find the moisturizer at my local stores, so I just ordered it online (a lot cheaper than in the stores too!) so I’m waiting on that. Hopefully that will help with the dryness.

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          Michael A.

          Hi Luis,

          Yeah the one you have looks like the same one I saw on Amazon.com (not sure if that is an older formula, newer formula, or a US formula).
          That formula you pointed out seems to be mainly sold in the United States. All the Canadian retailers seem to carry the formula I’ve got here.
          Since Cetaphil is a Canadian company, I would imagine the would have their most recent SKU available to the Canadian market.

          Also unsure if the slight change in ingredients makes a difference.
          Maybe as other readers report their results, it will become clear if the small differences have an impact.

          If it helps I saw the exact formula I’m using on Amazon.com as well, however it was from secondary suppliers.
          US Wal Mart doesn’t include the ingredients on their online listing, so not sure which one they carry. CVS and Wal Greens have the same ingredients as mine listed.

          Perhaps if your still not seeing any improvements I can try to send you one of my samples (could show if the ingredients make a difference).
          Look forward to hearing any updates. Hopefully it works out in the end.

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    HopeDiesLast

    Hello again Michael,

    thank you for your answear i will check some other potential remedies first and then buy the cetaphil products as i already have the classic moisturizer which is actually very good.

    For my hair i use ACV(leave it for 5 minutes) after i shampoo with orzene shampoo every now and then and i dont have so much flaking now . I will also have in mind this shampoo which seems good.

    I would like to ask you something. Is it wrong that after i shower i wipe with a clean towel the dead skin out off my face(usually white small pieces of dead skin) ? it really feels good when i do this but im worried if this action damages my skin and then it is easier for incredients or things i might be allergic to,to penetrate my skin(?)

    i would also like to tell everyone that i am a member of a forum which one thread is about seborrheic dermatitis . So here is the link and my nickname is the same there:

    http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/237402-the-seborrheic-dermatitis-thread/

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      Michael A.

      Hi Again,

      Yeah the shampoo is probably much better than I have previously described it being.
      The ingredients list includes many things which are suppose to be quite good for helping control seborrheic dermatitis.

      For example the main ingredient is Aloe Vera (as opposed to water being the main ingredient in most others). Alongside of this it contains manuka honey, argan oil, arginine (an amino acid the restoraderm actually also contains, supposed to improve circulation), milk thistle, vitamin e, hyaloronic acid, borage oil, jojoba oil and a bunch of others. Granted since there is so much stuff it’s hard to known if there is actually enough of any of them. The smell of the stuff is enough for me (it’s like orange candies from childhood).

      So I guess the shampoo is not really a “simple” moisturising shampoo as I have described it before.
      It might actually be some of the stuff that’s been controlling the SD on my scalp, not sure though.
      Maybe if someone else gives it a try, we will have more evidence.

      Thanks for the link to the forum. I’ve gone through that whole thread before and picked out all the potential solutions.
      If I’m not mistaken I tried about 75-80% of the stuff that people had good results with there.

      Actually used Evernote to collect some of the stuff from there and other places.
      Here is my notebook for that: https://www.evernote.com/pub/vzeazy/forumscrape

      Hope that helps. All the best and thanks again for updating.

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  41. HopeDiesLast Profile Photo
    HopeDiesLast

    hi MICHAEL,

    i would like to ask if this cleanser , Cetaphil Restoraderm bodywash is suitable for the face?

    and also what is your routine on these two products for each day?

    how many times do you wash per day with this cleanser and how often do you apply Cetaphil Restoraderm moisturizer ?

    i am currently using La Roche Posay Toleriane cleanser once daily with great results as a cleanser and cetaphil classic moisurizer, small amounts of it . Im thinking of trying what you suggested.

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      Michael A.

      Hello Again,
      You can disregard the cleanser question in the other comment :).

      The labelling threw me off as well in the beginning. The Cetpahil Restoraderm is quite gentle.
      Can’t really see myself actually using this stuff as an actual body wash.

      My routine is now really bare bones. This is what I do practically every single night (have missed an odd day here and there without any negatives):

      1. Wash my face with the Restoraderm using only cold/room-temperature water
      2. Brush my teeth allowing the face to air dry during this time
      3. After brushing my teeth my face still has some moisture left from washing, but is mainly dry. I take a tiny amount of the moisturiser and massage it into the skin. The water moisture helps to spread the moisturiser really thin, and the moisturiser seems to help lock in the moisture.

      With this approach I barely use any moisturiser at all, but I feel the tiny amount I do use goes a long way.

      For the scalp I actually went against most the suggestions I read online. Instead of controlling the oils on the my scalp I went and bought a quality moisturising shampoo.
      This is all I use now. Sometimes I can feel the dandruff flakes start to appear, but a bit of extra massaging the scalp with the shampoo seems to make it go away.
      However, my scalp and hair are much better off now that I stopped using Head and Shoulders.

      Additionally I’ve stopped the glutamine supplementation and currently only wash my face once a day before heading to bed.
      Right now I eat whatever I feel like, can drink alcohol (even beer finally seems to be okay), exercise and sweat are no longer a problem, and even intense stress doesn’t seem to cause any issues.

      Hope this helps.
      Best of luck and look forward to hearing any updates from you.

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  42. Nick Profile Photo
    Nick

    Hi Michael,
    I went to the Doctor a few times. I was diagnosed with adult acne as my skin would often erupt and was prescribed steroid tablets or cream. I also tried dakatarin and hydrocortisone and the odd acne cleanser. But I must admit I was quite sparing with these treatments as I was wary of them being too harsh and they didn’t seem to help much.
    I assumed the problem was diet related and cut down on processed wheat which seemed to help a bit. When I tried keeping to just vegetables and fruit this definitely seemed to clear up my skin, but this was unsustainable as I was losing too much weight.
    Thanks for the tip re the moisturiser and I will try again at some point in a smaller dose.
    By the way you mention in one of your articles your cleanser is ‘clearasil’. I think this is a different product (for acne) and you mean ‘cetaphil’?
    Cheers Nick

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      Michael A.

      Hi Nick,

      Thanks for checking back. Additional thank you for spotting my “clearasil” mistakes. Sometimes mix the two up. Went back and made sure everything is corrected. Originally I meant Cetaphil and I’ve never tried using clearasil for treating my seborrheic dermatitis.

      Definitely agree with you on the diet thing. My weight and energy was always up and down when going on vegetables/fruits.

      How good are your results with the Cetaphil?

      Thanks again.

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        Steve

        Hi Michael,

        Just spent a few hours reading through your site, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us. I will be purchasing the cetaphil tomorrow. I have used the normal cetaphil face wash in the past but never the restoraderm. I actually avoided trying it a few weeks ago because I thought it was meant as a body wash. The one I saw had lanolin and oils in the ingredient list. Is there a face wash version of the restoraderm meant for sensitive skin? Thanks again for your insights on this horrible condition!

        -Steve

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          Michael A.

          Hi Steve,
          Same as you I saw this stuff a few times in the store before. However, I wasn’t really sure if it was meant for the face.
          On several occasions I purchased other cleansers instead of it (Cerave, SebaMed, Aveeno). It wasn’t until I got a bunch of samples that I gave it a try.

          Don’t think there is a face wash version, but this stuff is super gentle. In a way I can’t really see myself using it as a body wash.

          The ingredients list of my bottle doesn’t seem to have Lanolin, but it does have Shea Butter and Sunflower Seed Oil (even though oils seems to be bad in general, in this they are fine for me).
          Here is a picture of the wash and moisturiser at my local Wal-Mart.

          If you have the time please share any updates you may have.

          Best of luck and hope this stuff helps.

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  43. Nick Profile Photo
    Nick

    Michael, thank you for setting up this website and passing on your knowledge. I have had red and flaky skin (nose, sides of nose, eyebrows) for the last 20 years. I didn’t even realise it was seb derm until someone mentioned it about a month ago.

    When I washed my face with soap, acne lotion, or most types of cleansers, it made my face dry and didn’t clear it up at all. So I tended to just use moisturiser (nivea and then e45). I realise now although this helped with the dryness, it just led to more inflammation.

    After reading your blog, I have been using cetaphil cleanser twice a day for the last two weeks and my skin has cleared up and is the best it’s been for 20 years. I don’t really use the moisturiser as it seems to make me a touch red and shiny.

    It’s great to just have normal skin again at last and once again thanks so much for your help!

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      Michael A.

      Hi Nick,

      Thank you for the update. Glad to hear that the Cetaphil helped. It’s shocking how long some people can suffer with seborrheic dermatitis. 20 years is a significant part of ones life.

      Did you also get diagnosed and prescribed creams? Did you previously attempt any anti-fungal creams?

      Similar to your experience none of the other cleansers were as ever as effective as this one.

      As for the moisturizer I use an extremely tiny amount. Typically while my face is still wet I just take a dab and it mixes with the water on my face. The 30ml samples can last me for 3-4 months with nightly use. It feels great massaging my skin like this. However, it’s good to hear that even without the cleanser is just as effective.

      Thanks again for leaving the update. Glad my writing has made a difference. All the best.

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    • Adam Profile Photo
      Adam

      Hi Nick,
      Are you using just normal Cetpahil face wash or are you using the RestoraDerm face wash?

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  44. Kelly Profile Photo
    Kelly

    Hi Michael,

    You said that you were using Restoraderm Cleanser and Moisturizer. I googled it to see if I can purchase some to try out but Cetaphil Restoradem body wash keeps coming out. Is that the Restoraderm you are using or a completely different one?

    Any info would be greatly appreciated.

    -Kelly

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      Michael A.

      Hi Kelly,

      Sorry about the confusion. Someone actually pointed this out previously, but I forgot to clarify in my writing.

      This appears to be the one I am using right now: http://www.cetaphil.ca/en/products/restoraderm.
      My sample packs are labeled different, but the ingredients are identical. Here is a picture of my samples. My last sample of the cleanser/wash is almost out and I’m planning to purchase a full bottle from Wal-Mart (saw they had it on the shelves) here in Canada.

      One other thing to note is that some of the ones listed of Amazon.com have a slightly different ingredients list.
      Not sure if that is the newer formula or the older one. Also I don’t know if that formula works as good, better, or worse.

      Maybe try a local pediatric clinic, I believe they commonly carry samples for child eczema.

      Best of luck. If you can, post an update on where you end up finding it.

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      Michael A.

      Hi Kelly,

      So I ended up going down to Wal-Mart to finally get a full bottle (samples are almost done). Here they are on the shelf here in Canada.

      At first I didn’t even think they had them any more as they are not near the other Cetaphil products. They were off to the side with some moisturiser products.

      As an additional bonus they have coupons on the back (wash has $2 off moisturiser coupon and vice versa).

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